Limits of magic - Revision history

Dre at 14:29, 1 April 2026

2026-04-01T14:29:03Z

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	There are rituals that appear to breach these limits, such as [[Forge the Wooden Fastness]] or [[Dripping Echoes of the Fen]] where the eternal in question was not recorded for many years. Knowledgeable magicians knew that there must be an eternal in question - such a ritual cannot work without the assistance or involvement of one - but for whatever inscrutable reasons their identity had remained secret. In recent history, the eternals sponsoring those two particular rituals were uncovered by [[Various_storms_and_saints#Fen_and_Fastness\|scholars of the Unfettered Mind]].		There are rituals that appear to breach these limits, such as [[Forge the Wooden Fastness]] or [[Dripping Echoes of the Fen]] where the eternal in question was not recorded for many years. Knowledgeable magicians knew that there must be an eternal in question - such a ritual cannot work without the assistance or involvement of one - but for whatever inscrutable reasons their identity had remained secret. In recent history, the eternals sponsoring those two particular rituals were uncovered by [[Various_storms_and_saints#Fen_and_Fastness\|scholars of the Unfettered Mind]].
	==Damaging Fortifications==		==Damaging Fortifications==
	It's not possible to ~~remotely~~ damage a single [[fortification]] with focused magic. There are rituals such as [[Thunderous Tread of the Trees]] and [[Mountain Remembers Its Youth]] that can cause damage to a fortification, but only as part of indiscriminately unleashed [[Spring magic]] that also damages [[army\|armies]] and [[fortification#garrison\|garrisons]] across an entire territory. This effect was possible in the past, but in-character that was the result of a particularly long-lived conjunction of [[the Claw]] and [[the Drowned Man]]. It's no longer an effect that can be created by ritual magic. Ritual magic ''can'' inflict damage on the battlefield with rituals such as [[Rising Roots that Rend Stone]] or [[Inevitable Collapse into Ruin]] but these effects cannot be targeted remotely, or on a larger scale.		It's not possible to damage a single [[fortification]] with focused magic from a distance. There are rituals such as [[Thunderous Tread of the Trees]] and [[Mountain Remembers Its Youth]] that can cause damage to a fortification, but only as part of indiscriminately-unleashed [[Spring magic]] that also damages [[army\|armies]] and [[fortification#garrison\|garrisons]] across an entire territory. This effect was possible in the past, but in-character that was the result of a particularly long-lived conjunction of [[the Claw]] and [[the Drowned Man]]. It's no longer an effect that can be created by ritual magic. Ritual magic ''can'' inflict damage on the battlefield with rituals such as [[Rising Roots that Rend Stone]] or [[Inevitable Collapse into Ruin]] but these effects cannot be targeted remotely, or on a larger scale.

	==Teleportation==		==Teleportation==

Rafferty: /* Conjuring and Summoning */

2026-04-01T13:39:35Z

Conjuring and Summoning

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	There are rituals that appear to breach these limits, such as [[Forge the Wooden Fastness]] or [[Dripping Echoes of the Fen]] where the eternal in question was not recorded for many years. Knowledgeable magicians knew that there must be an eternal in question - such a ritual cannot work without the assistance or involvement of one - but for whatever inscrutable reasons their identity had remained secret. In recent history, the eternals sponsoring those two particular rituals were uncovered by [[Various_storms_and_saints#Fen_and_Fastness\|scholars of the Unfettered Mind]].		There are rituals that appear to breach these limits, such as [[Forge the Wooden Fastness]] or [[Dripping Echoes of the Fen]] where the eternal in question was not recorded for many years. Knowledgeable magicians knew that there must be an eternal in question - such a ritual cannot work without the assistance or involvement of one - but for whatever inscrutable reasons their identity had remained secret. In recent history, the eternals sponsoring those two particular rituals were uncovered by [[Various_storms_and_saints#Fen_and_Fastness\|scholars of the Unfettered Mind]].
			==Damaging Fortifications==
			It's not possible to remotely damage a single [[fortification]] with focused magic. There are rituals such as [[Thunderous Tread of the Trees]] and [[Mountain Remembers Its Youth]] that can cause damage to a fortification, but only as part of indiscriminately unleashed [[Spring magic]] that also damages [[army\|armies]] and [[fortification#garrison\|garrisons]] across an entire territory. This effect was possible in the past, but in-character that was the result of a particularly long-lived conjunction of [[the Claw]] and [[the Drowned Man]]. It's no longer an effect that can be created by ritual magic. Ritual magic ''can'' inflict damage on the battlefield with rituals such as [[Rising Roots that Rend Stone]] or [[Inevitable Collapse into Ruin]] but these effects cannot be targeted remotely, or on a larger scale.

	==Teleportation==		==Teleportation==

Matt: /* Changing Qualities */

2026-02-11T11:35:22Z

Changing Qualities

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	==Changing Qualities==		==Changing Qualities==
	It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region [[Region_qualities#Coastal\|coastal]], or remove the [[Region_qualities#Haunted\|haunted]] quality, or make an army [[Army_qualities#Cruel\|cruel]].		It is not possible to use ritual magic to intentionally change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region [[Region_qualities#Coastal\|coastal]], or remove the [[Region_qualities#Haunted\|haunted]] quality, or make an army [[Army_qualities#Cruel\|cruel]]. Powerful magic may have unusual side-effects in unique circumstances which result in these kind of unexpected changes - but it is not possible to design a ritual to achieve that outcome.
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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Bourse" to "[[Bourse"

2026-01-15T13:11:36Z

Text replacement - "[[Imperial Bourse" to "[[Bourse"

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	==Enchanting Bourse Resources==		==Enchanting Bourse Resources==
	Mithril, white granite, weirwood, and ilium are the most precious resources found anywhere in the Empire, so valuable that control of known deposits is closely regulated by the [[~~Imperial~~ Bourse]]. Countless attempts have been made over the centuries to develop ritual magic that can increase the production of these resources, but all have failed. Even attempts to scry for unworked deposits have proved unsuccessful.		Mithril, white granite, weirwood, and ilium are the most precious resources found anywhere in the Empire, so valuable that control of known deposits is closely regulated by the [[Bourse]]. Countless attempts have been made over the centuries to develop ritual magic that can increase the production of these resources, but all have failed. Even attempts to scry for unworked deposits have proved unsuccessful.

	Urizen magicians who have studied the problem for many years have concluded that materials of this kind have a degree of raw magical power inherent in them. This power appears to be a fundamental part of the mortal world, rather than having any connection with the realms. When the materials are in their unworked state waiting to be harvested, they create an interference that confounds any attempts to use the magic of the realms to locate or gather it. Sadly this natural resistance to magic is largely lost when the materials are removed and refined or processed.		Urizen magicians who have studied the problem for many years have concluded that materials of this kind have a degree of raw magical power inherent in them. This power appears to be a fundamental part of the mortal world, rather than having any connection with the realms. When the materials are in their unworked state waiting to be harvested, they create an interference that confounds any attempts to use the magic of the realms to locate or gather it. Sadly this natural resistance to magic is largely lost when the materials are removed and refined or processed.

Twiggy at 23:38, 1 August 2025

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	In the same way, magic cannot compel someone to speak the truth, and it cannot read minds. This means that there is no effective "truth detection" magic in the Empire. It is possible to create an urge to be forthright or plain speaking, but it is not even possible to create a roleplaying effect that makes a character want to speak the truth. Nor is possible to remove the ability to speak from a person using ritual magic.		In the same way, magic cannot compel someone to speak the truth, and it cannot read minds. This means that there is no effective "truth detection" magic in the Empire. It is possible to create an urge to be forthright or plain speaking, but it is not even possible to create a roleplaying effect that makes a character want to speak the truth. Nor is possible to remove the ability to speak from a person using ritual magic.
	<div style="float:right; width: 500px; clear: right;"><box><big>'''Conjured Coastal Citadels'''</big><br>		<div style="float:right; width: 500px; clear: right;"><box><big>'''Conjured Coastal Citadels'''</big><br>
	One topic that comes up regularly with the Day eternals is that of magically summoned fortifications similar to [[Frozen Citadel of Cathan Canae]] but created in regions with the ''coastal'' quality. This matter is raised with some of [[Phaleron\|Phaleron's]] heralds, and they provide the following explanation as to why it is not possible for magic to create such a thing. By its essential nature, a coastline is partway between one thing and another. It is a liminal space, neither land nor sea, and defies classification. A fortification or castle, by contrast, has an essential nature of resisting, standing strong, and being immovable and impregnable, which is absolutely at odds with the mutable nature of a coastal area. Ritual magic runs afoul of the [[~~Ritual_theory~~#The_Law_of_Essence\|Law of Essence]], and so it will never be possible to create a ritual that conjures a magical fortification using the ''coastal'' quality.<br><small>From [[Hierarchs_of_sea_and_sky#The_Only_True_Treasure\|Hierarchs of sea and sky]]</small></box></div>		One topic that comes up regularly with the Day eternals is that of magically summoned fortifications similar to [[Frozen Citadel of Cathan Canae]] but created in regions with the ''coastal'' quality. This matter is raised with some of [[Phaleron\|Phaleron's]] heralds, and they provide the following explanation as to why it is not possible for magic to create such a thing. By its essential nature, a coastline is partway between one thing and another. It is a liminal space, neither land nor sea, and defies classification. A fortification or castle, by contrast, has an essential nature of resisting, standing strong, and being immovable and impregnable, which is absolutely at odds with the mutable nature of a coastal area. Ritual magic runs afoul of the [[Laws_of_magic#The_Law_of_Essence\|Law of Essence]], and so it will never be possible to create a ritual that conjures a magical fortification using the ''coastal'' quality.<br><small>From [[Hierarchs_of_sea_and_sky#The_Only_True_Treasure\|Hierarchs of sea and sky]]</small></box></div>

	==Conjuring and Summoning==		==Conjuring and Summoning==

Castaras: /* Imperial Citizenship */ fixing broken link

2025-07-31T19:22:04Z

Imperial Citizenship: fixing broken link

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	==Imperial Citizenship==		==Imperial Citizenship==
	It is not possible to use ritual magic to sever the connection between a person and an [[egregores\|egregore]]. The connection seems to be protected by the [[#The_Law_of_Essence\|Law of Essence]]. A person can voluntarily choose to give up their connection to an egregore, but this choice cannot be forced using magic.		It is not possible to use ritual magic to sever the connection between a person and an [[egregores\|egregore]]. The connection seems to be protected by the [[Laws_of_magic#The_Law_of_Essence\|Law of Essence]]. A person can voluntarily choose to give up their connection to an egregore, but this choice cannot be forced using magic.

	==Sharing Ritual Lore==		==Sharing Ritual Lore==
	While rituals such as [[Shared Mastery of the Magician's Guild]] allow a [[coven]] to share [[spellcasting]] knowledge between its members, it is not possible to do the same with [[Magical_skills#Mastery\|ritual mastery]]. While ritual magic can remove mastery (as seen with [[Infant Starts with a Blank Slate]]), it can never grant someone mastery of a ritual.		While rituals such as [[Shared Mastery of the Magician's Guild]] allow a [[coven]] to share [[spellcasting]] knowledge between its members, it is not possible to do the same with [[Magical_skills#Mastery\|ritual mastery]]. While ritual magic can remove mastery (as seen with [[Infant Starts with a Blank Slate]]), it can never grant someone mastery of a ritual.

Hailmur: /* Changing Qualities */

2025-06-02T14:03:25Z

Changing Qualities

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	==Changing Qualities==		==Changing Qualities==
	It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region coastal, or remove the haunted quality, or make an army cruel.		It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region [[Region_qualities#Coastal\|coastal]], or remove the [[Region_qualities#Haunted\|haunted]] quality, or make an army [[Army_qualities#Cruel\|cruel]].
	{{Magic Links}}		{{Magic Links}}
	[[Category:Magic Theory]]		[[Category:Magic Theory]]
	[[Category:Magic]]		[[Category:Magic]]
	[[Category:Rules]]		[[Category:Rules]]

Hailmur: /* Changing Qualities */

2025-06-02T14:02:41Z

Changing Qualities

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	==Changing Qualities==		==Changing Qualities==
	It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region coastal, or remove the haunted quality to make an army cruel.		It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region coastal, or remove the haunted quality, or make an army cruel.
	{{Magic Links}}		{{Magic Links}}
	[[Category:Magic Theory]]		[[Category:Magic Theory]]
	[[Category:Magic]]		[[Category:Magic]]
	[[Category:Rules]]		[[Category:Rules]]

Coolbeans: /* Changing Qualities */

2025-06-02T13:49:48Z

Changing Qualities

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	==Changing Qualities==		==Changing Qualities==
	It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region coastal, or remove the haunted quality of make an army cruel.		It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region coastal, or remove the haunted quality to make an army cruel.
	{{Magic Links}}		{{Magic Links}}
	[[Category:Magic Theory]]		[[Category:Magic Theory]]
	[[Category:Magic]]		[[Category:Magic]]
	[[Category:Rules]]		[[Category:Rules]]

Matt: /* Meta Magic */

2025-05-30T15:27:19Z

Meta Magic

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	==Meta Magic==		==Meta Magic==
	It is not possible to use ritual magic to affect other rituals. There is one ritual in Imperial lore, [[Sign of Aesh]], that can be used to reduce the magnitude of a later ritual, but that is deliberately restrictive and not something possible to replicate on a larger scale. It is also not possible to use a ritual to affect the casting time of a different ritual.		It is not possible to use ritual magic to affect other rituals. There is one ritual in Imperial lore, [[Sign of Aesh]], that can be used to reduce the magnitude of a later ritual, but that is deliberately restrictive and not something possible to replicate on a larger scale. It is also not possible to use a ritual to affect the casting time of a different ritual.

			==Changing Qualities==
			It is not possible to use ritual magic to change the qualities of something - whether that be the special quality of an army - or the unusual qualities of a region or territory. You can't use magic to make a region coastal, or remove the haunted quality of make an army cruel.
	{{Magic Links}}		{{Magic Links}}
	[[Category:Magic Theory]]		[[Category:Magic Theory]]
	[[Category:Magic]]		[[Category:Magic]]
	[[Category:Rules]]		[[Category:Rules]]