Not to conquer - Revision history

Twiggy at 15:16, 19 March 2026

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	'''Brynn Tendfallen''' has offered an alternate mandate to the Navarr National Assembly		'''Brynn Tendfallen''' has offered an alternate mandate to the Navarr National Assembly

	{{Mandate\|mandate=The time has come for us to match our words with deeds and fulfil our promises to our friends and allies, the Great Forest Orcs. Their home still lies in the hands of the Druj, and their people are in terrible danger.. We send {named priest} with 50 doses of liao to urge Navarri to aid them in their endeavour, offering whatever help is needed to drive the Druj from Peytaht.\|assembly=Navarr National Assembly}}		{{Mandate\|mandate=The time has come for us to match our words with deeds and fulfil our promises to our friends and allies, the Great Forest Orcs. Their home still lies in the hands of the Druj, and their people are in terrible danger. We send {named priest} with 50 doses of liao to urge Navarri to aid them in their endeavour, offering whatever help is needed to drive the Druj from Peytaht.\|assembly=Navarr National Assembly}}

	'''Nathair Autumngale''' has offered an alternate mandate to the Navarr National Assembly		'''Nathair Autumngale''' has offered an alternate mandate to the Navarr National Assembly

Twiggy at 15:34, 27 February 2026

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	A single Imperial army could issue an attacking order in the Barrens, with clear orders to attack the ruins of Dourfell and wipe out the heretics gathering there. They would annihilate this faction completely and take fewer than fifty casualties in the attack. It wouldn't necessarily be pleasant, and if they were foreigners it would be a serious crime, but it would permanently remove the Montanians as a factor in the Barrens – and everywhere else.		A single Imperial army could issue an attacking order in the Barrens, with clear orders to attack the ruins of Dourfell and wipe out the heretics gathering there. They would annihilate this faction completely and take fewer than fifty casualties in the attack. It wouldn't necessarily be pleasant, and if they were foreigners it would be a serious crime, but it would permanently remove the Montanians as a factor in the Barrens – and everywhere else.

	Doing this would please the Karass who are known to dislike the Montanians but it would outrage every other Barrens faction bar the Black Wind. It would however send a clear message that the Empire will not be trifled with. While it might be possible for someone to get a warning to the ~~Montanans~~ before the noose closed around them, the sept are highly distrustful of the Empire. It is unlikely they would believe a [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged message]] that did not come from someone they already have a close relationship with, or from one of the [[Cardinal\|Cardinals]] of the Synod.		Doing this would please the Karass who are known to dislike the Montanians but it would outrage every other Barrens faction bar the Black Wind. It would however send a clear message that the Empire will not be trifled with. While it might be possible for someone to get a warning to the Montanians before the noose closed around them, the sept are highly distrustful of the Empire. It is unlikely they would believe a [[Call Winged Messenger\|winged message]] that did not come from someone they already have a close relationship with, or from one of the [[Cardinal\|Cardinals]] of the Synod.

	===Synod Opportunities : Montanians===		===Synod Opportunities : Montanians===

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Synod" to "[[Synod"

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	The situation is complex in-character as well. It contains a number of potential actions, but it is not intended to be definitive. Many of the options here provide only guidelines about what will happen if they are taken. In particular, if the Empire does multiple things that all change the situation it's impossible to predict in advance how those things will interact with each other. There's also the potential impact of individual characters on the relations between the Empire and the Barrens factions to bear in mind, which might further skew things toward the chaotic. For now, though, each of these "levers" is presented with the best guess of the people involved as to what it will do.		The situation is complex in-character as well. It contains a number of potential actions, but it is not intended to be definitive. Many of the options here provide only guidelines about what will happen if they are taken. In particular, if the Empire does multiple things that all change the situation it's impossible to predict in advance how those things will interact with each other. There's also the potential impact of individual characters on the relations between the Empire and the Barrens factions to bear in mind, which might further skew things toward the chaotic. For now, though, each of these "levers" is presented with the best guess of the people involved as to what it will do.

	One other thing to bear in mind is that the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]], its [[statement of principle\|statements of principle]] and [[mandate\|mandates]], is of only limited use in the Barrens. While a [[judgement]] can be used to influence Imperial citizens, it is unlikely to move any of the factions. They are simply not open to Imperial priests coming to them with liao and attempting to tell them what they should do. So while there ''are'' mandates here, they are about actions Imperial citizens take, and not about influencing the factions directly by sending missionaries. This is intentional, and proposals for alternative mandates that rely on trying to convert the factions, or influence them with [[aura\|auras]], are unlikely to be accepted.		One other thing to bear in mind is that the [[Synod]], its [[statement of principle\|statements of principle]] and [[mandate\|mandates]], is of only limited use in the Barrens. While a [[judgement]] can be used to influence Imperial citizens, it is unlikely to move any of the factions. They are simply not open to Imperial priests coming to them with liao and attempting to tell them what they should do. So while there ''are'' mandates here, they are about actions Imperial citizens take, and not about influencing the factions directly by sending missionaries. This is intentional, and proposals for alternative mandates that rely on trying to convert the factions, or influence them with [[aura\|auras]], are unlikely to be accepted.
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Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Conclave" to "[[Conclave"

2026-01-15T16:51:10Z

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	* '''Conclave could send a single Conclave order to investigate the Salt Marsh and see how they can help'''		* '''Conclave could send a single Conclave order to investigate the Salt Marsh and see how they can help'''

	Some of the witches and magisters talking to the Vendarri are of the opinion that the orcs don't ''want'' to leave Saltmarsh. It is their home, and has been for hundreds of years. It's just that the territory is ''wrecked''. During the Summer Solstice, Dawnish magicians invoked [[Regrow the Land's Heart]] on the Barrens, and that has gone a long way toward repairing the damage caused by the tumultuous storms. Unfortunately, it isn't enough by itself to deal with all the problems the Vendarri are currently encountering. Their homes have been smashed by the flood waters, vital animals and plants killed, and the waters have still not receded as that the dams they used to protect key areas have been destroyed. The Vendarri are by all accounts magicians themselves however, and initial assessment suggests they are adepts of [[Night magic]] and competent [[Spring magic\|Spring magicians]]. An [[Endowment]] of 120 crystal mana from the [[~~Imperial~~ Conclave]] directly to the Vendarri would provide them with what they need to restore the Saltmarsh themselves over the coming months.		Some of the witches and magisters talking to the Vendarri are of the opinion that the orcs don't ''want'' to leave Saltmarsh. It is their home, and has been for hundreds of years. It's just that the territory is ''wrecked''. During the Summer Solstice, Dawnish magicians invoked [[Regrow the Land's Heart]] on the Barrens, and that has gone a long way toward repairing the damage caused by the tumultuous storms. Unfortunately, it isn't enough by itself to deal with all the problems the Vendarri are currently encountering. Their homes have been smashed by the flood waters, vital animals and plants killed, and the waters have still not receded as that the dams they used to protect key areas have been destroyed. The Vendarri are by all accounts magicians themselves however, and initial assessment suggests they are adepts of [[Night magic]] and competent [[Spring magic\|Spring magicians]]. An [[Endowment]] of 120 crystal mana from the [[Conclave]] directly to the Vendarri would provide them with what they need to restore the Saltmarsh themselves over the coming months.

	The other thing that troubles the Vendarri - that the Druj will seek to retaliate against them - might be addressed in a similar manner. The Vendarri have covens among them capable of performing [[Dripping Echoes of the Fen]], but their [[mana site\|mana sites]] have suffered from the floods alongside everything else. The Conclave could agree to endow them with 50 crystal mana each season for the next year, specifically to raise their own defences around the Saltmarsh. The Vendarri would do that, without a second thought. A single [[declaration]] of [[endowment]] would be enough to create a stipend for the next year. In theory, Imperial magicians could simply cast the ritual on Saltmarsh, but <!--this would not provide the sense of security that empowering the orcs to do it themselves would provide.--> that would only help if the region were ceded to the Vendarri. Otherwise the magic of the ritual would work against the orcs, making life even more difficult for them to live there.		The other thing that troubles the Vendarri - that the Druj will seek to retaliate against them - might be addressed in a similar manner. The Vendarri have covens among them capable of performing [[Dripping Echoes of the Fen]], but their [[mana site\|mana sites]] have suffered from the floods alongside everything else. The Conclave could agree to endow them with 50 crystal mana each season for the next year, specifically to raise their own defences around the Saltmarsh. The Vendarri would do that, without a second thought. A single [[declaration]] of [[endowment]] would be enough to create a stipend for the next year. In theory, Imperial magicians could simply cast the ritual on Saltmarsh, but <!--this would not provide the sense of security that empowering the orcs to do it themselves would provide.--> that would only help if the region were ceded to the Vendarri. Otherwise the magic of the ritual would work against the orcs, making life even more difficult for them to live there.

Matt: Text replacement - "[[Imperial Military Council" to "[[Military Council"

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	* '''A single Imperial army could besiege the Fangs and starve them out in two seasons without loss'''		* '''A single Imperial army could besiege the Fangs and starve them out in two seasons without loss'''

	While the Synod has called for the liberation of the Barrens, the [[~~Imperial~~ Military Council]] could take an altogether different stance. The Rahvin are preventing the Empire from claiming the just rewards for their labour, and the Empire is still at war with them - a war that started when the Rahvin led an attack on Dawnish lands. There are less than a thousand Rahvin in Bitter Strand. It might not be pleasant, but a single Imperial army could move into the Barrens and defeat them. The general would need to issue an [[Army_orders#Attacking\|attacking order]], and make it clear that their intention is to seize the Fangs and drive out the Rahvin. The orcs would likely fight, and it would be necessary to kill their warriors, but there is no way they could stand against an Imperial army, even one depleted by casualties. Civil service estimates that the forces involved in attacking the Rahvin would take less than fifty casualties, but they would not be able to engage in resupply. The Empire would claim the Fangs, and the involvement of the Rahvin in Barrens would be permanently ended.		While the Synod has called for the liberation of the Barrens, the [[Military Council]] could take an altogether different stance. The Rahvin are preventing the Empire from claiming the just rewards for their labour, and the Empire is still at war with them - a war that started when the Rahvin led an attack on Dawnish lands. There are less than a thousand Rahvin in Bitter Strand. It might not be pleasant, but a single Imperial army could move into the Barrens and defeat them. The general would need to issue an [[Army_orders#Attacking\|attacking order]], and make it clear that their intention is to seize the Fangs and drive out the Rahvin. The orcs would likely fight, and it would be necessary to kill their warriors, but there is no way they could stand against an Imperial army, even one depleted by casualties. Civil service estimates that the forces involved in attacking the Rahvin would take less than fifty casualties, but they would not be able to engage in resupply. The Empire would claim the Fangs, and the involvement of the Rahvin in Barrens would be permanently ended.

	A less bloody approach could be taken, closing a cordon around the Fangs and starving out the defenders. A single Imperial army could enter the territory and issue a [[Army_orders#Defending\|defending order]] to besiege the Fangs. The general would need to be very clear in their orders that their intention was to starve out the defenders of the Fangs. The orcs would be unable to hunt, and their supplies would quickly dwindle. Once started, the blockade would need to continue uninterrupted, but would not require the ''same'' army to maintain it. It would take six months for the Rahvin to run out of supplies to the point they were forced to surrender or accept death by starvation. This would allow the Empire to claim the Fangs without risking Imperial soldiers. It would depend on the response of the Rahvin whether they survived as a faction in the Barrens.		A less bloody approach could be taken, closing a cordon around the Fangs and starving out the defenders. A single Imperial army could enter the territory and issue a [[Army_orders#Defending\|defending order]] to besiege the Fangs. The general would need to be very clear in their orders that their intention was to starve out the defenders of the Fangs. The orcs would be unable to hunt, and their supplies would quickly dwindle. Once started, the blockade would need to continue uninterrupted, but would not require the ''same'' army to maintain it. It would take six months for the Rahvin to run out of supplies to the point they were forced to surrender or accept death by starvation. This would allow the Empire to claim the Fangs without risking Imperial soldiers. It would depend on the response of the Rahvin whether they survived as a faction in the Barrens.

Matt: /* Great Forest Orcs */

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Great Forest Orcs

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	==Great Forest Orcs==		==Great Forest Orcs==
	{{WingedMessenger\|address=Communication with the Great Forest Orcs is possible by sending a [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] to ''Chief Vallack, Great Forest Encampment, Lower Tarn Valley, Therunin''.}}		{{WingedMessenger\|address=Communication with the Great Forest Orcs is possible by sending a [[Call Winged Messenger\|Winged Messenger]] to ''Chief Vallack, Great Forest Encampment, Lower Tarn Valley, Therunin''}}
	===Who are the Great Forest Orcs?===		===Who are the Great Forest Orcs?===
	* '''The Great Forest Orcs are foreigners and guests of the Navarr, most of them live in Therunin'''		* '''The Great Forest Orcs are foreigners and guests of the Navarr, most of them live in Therunin'''

Twiggy at 22:43, 10 July 2025

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	Unlike the other Barrens septs, the Montanians are humans, and as far as is known they all have the briar lineage. They are the descendants of anarchy heretics who took part in the [[Freedom Heresy]], although they claim their grandparents cut ties with the inhabitants of Montane over ideological issues. They once lived at Dourfell Keep in Hope's Rest, before the majority of them left the Barrens along with their allies the Great Forest Orcs – destroying their home in the process as part of a powerful Spring ritual that apparently killed all the Druj in the process of trying to capture it.		Unlike the other Barrens septs, the Montanians are humans, and as far as is known they all have the briar lineage. They are the descendants of anarchy heretics who took part in the [[Freedom Heresy]], although they claim their grandparents cut ties with the inhabitants of Montane over ideological issues. They once lived at Dourfell Keep in Hope's Rest, before the majority of them left the Barrens along with their allies the Great Forest Orcs – destroying their home in the process as part of a powerful Spring ritual that apparently killed all the Druj in the process of trying to capture it.

	They were a key element of the Barrens Orc rebellion that began in 377YE, serving as messengers and mediators, who helped to spread Rahvin's message to the Great Forest Orcs, the Vendarri and other septs. They are believed to have enjoyed the assistance of the eternal ''Irra ~~Harrah~~'' with whom they are known to have good relations. Since being in the Empire, they have kept themselves to themselves, carefully avoiding preaching their heresy, although they have offered sporadic assistance to Imperial efforts to free people from the yoke of the Druj.		They were a key element of the Barrens Orc rebellion that began in 377YE, serving as messengers and mediators, who helped to spread Rahvin's message to the Great Forest Orcs, the Vendarri and other septs. They are believed to have enjoyed the assistance of the eternal ''Irra Harah'' with whom they are known to have good relations. Since being in the Empire, they have kept themselves to themselves, carefully avoiding preaching their heresy, although they have offered sporadic assistance to Imperial efforts to free people from the yoke of the Druj.

	Most of the Montanians have been living in Therunin alongside their Great Forest Orcs allies, but many are now returning to their former lands in the Barrens at Hope's Rest. Never numerous, there is none-the-less a growing force there as the returnees joining with those who never left the Barrens. The situation is further complicated by the recent controversial decision to provide them with [[liao]] from the [[Keeper_of_the_Garden\|Garden of Glory]]. Unlike the orcs, they are entirely capable of performing [[Religious skills\|liao ceremonies]].		Most of the Montanians have been living in Therunin alongside their Great Forest Orcs allies, but many are now returning to their former lands in the Barrens at Hope's Rest. Never numerous, there is none-the-less a growing force there as the returnees joining with those who never left the Barrens. The situation is further complicated by the recent controversial decision to provide them with [[liao]] from the [[Keeper_of_the_Garden\|Garden of Glory]]. Unlike the orcs, they are entirely capable of performing [[Religious skills\|liao ceremonies]].

Matt at 13:46, 6 December 2024

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	Erica smiled at the troubadour. "Our people left the Empire half a century ago... and then we left them. If we had the faintest desire to be Imperial citizens we could have made that choice at any time in the last fifty years. Do you think the Rahvin want to be Imperial citizens? Or the Black Wind? We convinced them to make peace with your Empire so they could fight the Druj. We made an agreement, and then you broke it and sided with the Druj. They hate you even more than they hate the Druj if such a thing were possible. Do you think they want to become Imperial citizens?"		Erica smiled at the troubadour. "Our people left the Empire half a century ago... and then we left them. If we had the faintest desire to be Imperial citizens we could have made that choice at any time in the last fifty years. Do you think the Rahvin want to be Imperial citizens? Or the Black Wind? We convinced them to make peace with your Empire so they could fight the Druj. We made an agreement, and then you broke it and sided with the Druj. They hate you even more than they hate the Druj if such a thing were possible. Do you think they want to become Imperial citizens?"

	She shook her sadly. "Words matter... a great deal... If liberation means anything, it means Freedom. And Freedom means the right for living beings to choose for themselves. There can be no Freedom where our choices are made for us by others. It's not Freedom if our only choice is to live by your laws. If you force us to be part of your Empire... then you're no better than the Druj.		She shook her sadly. "Words matter... a great deal... If liberation means anything, it means Freedom. And Freedom means the right for living beings to choose for themselves. There can be no Freedom where our choices are made for us by others. It's not Freedom if our only choice is to live by your laws. If you force us to be part of your Empire... then you're no better than the Druj."
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	<div style="float:left; width: 600px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Not to conquer.jpg\|align=left\|caption="Pride exalts and uplifts those who have been laid low by the wicked; we come to the Barrens not to conquer, but to liberate and restore those who have been trod underfoot by the Druj."\|width=600}}</div>{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0MoaA7iAn0}}		<div style="float:left; width: 600px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Not to conquer.jpg\|align=left\|caption="Pride exalts and uplifts those who have been laid low by the wicked; we come to the Barrens not to conquer, but to liberate and restore those who have been trod underfoot by the Druj."\|width=600}}</div>{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0MoaA7iAn0}}

Novemberalice at 13:06, 22 July 2024

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	She shook her sadly. "Words matter... a great deal... If liberation means anything, it means Freedom. And Freedom means the right for living beings to choose for themselves. There can be no Freedom where our choices are made for us by others. It's not Freedom if our only choice is to live by your laws. If you force us to be part of your Empire... then you're no better than the Druj.		She shook her sadly. "Words matter... a great deal... If liberation means anything, it means Freedom. And Freedom means the right for living beings to choose for themselves. There can be no Freedom where our choices are made for us by others. It's not Freedom if our only choice is to live by your laws. If you force us to be part of your Empire... then you're no better than the Druj.
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	<div style="float:left; width: 600px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Not to conquer.jpg\|align=left\|caption="Pride exalts and uplifts those who have been laid low by the wicked; we come to the Barrens not to conquer, but to liberate and restore those who have been trod underfoot by the Druj."\|width=600}}</div>		<div style="float:left; width: 600px; clear: left;">{{CaptionedImage\|file=Not to conquer.jpg\|align=left\|caption="Pride exalts and uplifts those who have been laid low by the wicked; we come to the Barrens not to conquer, but to liberate and restore those who have been trod underfoot by the Druj."\|width=600}}</div>{{audio\|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0MoaA7iAn0}}
	{{SOP\|statement=Pride exalts and uplifts those who have been laid low by the wicked; we come to the Barrens not to conquer, but to liberate and restore those who have been trod underfoot by the Druj. We send Ser Dindrane with 50 doses of liao to urge Dawnish citizens not to settle beyond Dawnguard, but to rather put their words, steel, and coin to the cause of protecting and aiding the many inhabitants of the Barrens who have thrown of the yoke of the Buruk Tepel.\|by=Ser Dindrane, Dawn Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 233-46\|when=Summer Solstice 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=Pride exalts and uplifts those who have been laid low by the wicked; we come to the Barrens not to conquer, but to liberate and restore those who have been trod underfoot by the Druj. We send Ser Dindrane with 50 doses of liao to urge Dawnish citizens not to settle beyond Dawnguard, but to rather put their words, steel, and coin to the cause of protecting and aiding the many inhabitants of the Barrens who have thrown of the yoke of the Buruk Tepel.\|by=Ser Dindrane, Dawn Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 233-46\|when=Summer Solstice 385YE}}
	{{SOP\|statement=In peerless kinship, Highguard wishes to support our glorious siblings in Dawn.\|by=Jericho, Highguard Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 980-36\|when=Summer Solstice 385YE}}		{{SOP\|statement=In peerless kinship, Highguard wishes to support our glorious siblings in Dawn.\|by=Jericho, Highguard Assembly\|vote=Greater Majority 980-36\|when=Summer Solstice 385YE}}

Hailmur: /* What does Dawnguard want? */

2023-11-07T13:17:43Z

What does Dawnguard want?

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	* '''They want the Fangs and the Eaves of Peytaht to be made Dawnish Bourse seats'''		* '''They want the Fangs and the Eaves of Peytaht to be made Dawnish Bourse seats'''
	* '''They want to see the Empire destroy the Druj'''		* '''They want to see the Empire destroy the Druj'''
			Having defeated the Druj, the Dawnish want the political and military future of the Barrens to be secured. The physical embodiment of this would be rebuilding the Towers of the Dawn in Dawnguard. The great fortification was overrun by the Druj when they finally conquered the entire Barrens, and its destruction presaged a grim period for the Dawnish who suffered under Druj rule. In the minds of many, the safety of Dawnguard and the Barrens is physically contingent on the construction of a new fortification. For that reason, they want a new fortification to be constructed, at least as big as the Spires of Dusk, if not bigger. That will help to ensure that people feel confident that the Druj cannot retake Dawnguard any time soon. <!--Both [[Adamant]] and [[Cathan Canae]] have expressed interest in helping realise this goal, as detailed in the [[LINK]] wind of fortune.-->
	Having defeated the Druj, the Dawnish want the political and military future of the Barrens to be secured. The physical embodiment of this would be rebuilding the Towers of the Dawn in Dawnguard. The great fortification was overrun by the Druj when they finally conquered the entire Barrens, and its destruction presaged a grim period for the Dawnish who suffered under Druj rule. In the minds of many, the safety of Dawnguard and the Barrens is physically contingent on the construction of a new fortification. For that reason, they want a new fortification to be constructed, at least as big as the Spires of Dusk, if not bigger. That will help to ensure that people feel confident that the Druj cannot retake Dawnguard any time soon. Both [[Adamant]] and [[Cathan Canae]] have expressed interest in helping realise this goal, as detailed in the [[LINK]] wind of fortune.

	At present the Druj still control the Carmine Fields and the Heart of Peytaht. The Dawnish want to see these regions conquered and quickly, to prevent the Druj using them to unleash curses and other terrors on the Barrens and to make it harder for the Druj to return. The Steel Causeway split the regions from the Druj supply lines, but they still represent a major threat to the safety of the territory. The Dawnish want to see that threat dealt with.		At present the Druj still control the Carmine Fields and the Heart of Peytaht. The Dawnish want to see these regions conquered and quickly, to prevent the Druj using them to unleash curses and other terrors on the Barrens and to make it harder for the Druj to return. The Steel Causeway split the regions from the Druj supply lines, but they still represent a major threat to the safety of the territory. The Dawnish want to see that threat dealt with.