The price of liberty - Revision history

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	An obvious way to mitigate the impact on trade and relations with Asavea would be to construct and [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|cede]] temples in each of the [[territory\|territories]] that lie on the [[Bay of Catazar]]. The effect of [[Feroz#The_Temple_of_Balo_and_the_Black_Bull\|the temple in Feroz]] cannot be understated; the guards and the sailors of the ships who dock at Imperial ports are comforted by having a place where they can perform the ministrations, and seek advice, away from home. Building similar temples in [[Madruga]], [[Sarvos]], [[Necropolis]], and [[Redoubt]] would demonstrate Imperial acceptance of the Asavean gods.		An obvious way to mitigate the impact on trade and relations with Asavea would be to construct and [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|cede]] temples in each of the [[territory\|territories]] that lie on the [[Bay of Catazar]]. The effect of [[Feroz#The_Temple_of_Balo_and_the_Black_Bull\|the temple in Feroz]] cannot be understated; the guards and the sailors of the ships who dock at Imperial ports are comforted by having a place where they can perform the ministrations, and seek advice, away from home. Building similar temples in [[Madruga]], [[Sarvos]], [[Necropolis]], and [[Redoubt]] would demonstrate Imperial acceptance of the Asavean gods.

	Each temple could be [[commission\|commissioned]] with ~~it's~~ own [[Senate motion]], or the Imperial Senate could pass a motion to build a temple in every territory on the Bay of Catazar that has significant trade with the Asaveans and does not already have one. Whichever legal approach is taken, each temple would require a single commission, 30 wains of white granite, and 60 crowns as a ''minimum'' to construct. To be effective, the temples would need to be [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|ceded]] to the Asaveans so that their priests can operate them. This can be done as part of the motion to approve the commission. While a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] could in theory commission one of these temples, they do not have the ability to cede them to the Asavean priests and so would not be effective at mitigating lost trade.		Each temple could be [[commission\|commissioned]] with its own [[Senate motion]], or the Imperial Senate could pass a motion to build a temple in every territory on the Bay of Catazar that has significant trade with the Asaveans and does not already have one. Whichever legal approach is taken, each temple would require a single commission, 30 wains of white granite, and 60 crowns as a ''minimum'' to construct. To be effective, the temples would need to be [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|ceded]] to the Asaveans so that their priests can operate them. This can be done as part of the motion to approve the commission. While a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] could in theory commission one of these temples, they do not have the ability to cede them to the Asavean priests and so would not be effective at mitigating lost trade.

	In theory it ''might'' have been possible to get the Asaveans to help with the construction of the temples. However it is now extremely unlikely that any priest of Baddu the Builder is likely to risk coming to the Empire to oversee a commission in light of the fate that [[A_force_to_be_reckoned_with#Asavea_2\|befell Almodin Oktístis]]. Any help with the costs is also doubtful unless the [[Ambassador to Asavea]], currently '''Jarrigk Orzel''', can find a way to assuage the anger of the Plenum		In theory it ''might'' have been possible to get the Asaveans to help with the construction of the temples. However it is now extremely unlikely that any priest of Baddu the Builder is likely to risk coming to the Empire to oversee a commission in light of the fate that [[A_force_to_be_reckoned_with#Asavea_2\|befell Almodin Oktístis]]. Any help with the costs is also doubtful unless the [[Ambassador to Asavea]], currently '''Jarrigk Orzel''', can find a way to assuage the anger of the Plenum

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	==The Asavean Archipelago==		==The Asavean Archipelago==
	* '''The loss to the Imperial treasury will be 46 thrones each season.'''		* '''The loss to the Imperial treasury will be 46 thrones each season.'''
	The [[Asavean_Archipelago#Politics\|Plenum]] of Asavea are furious at the Empire's declaration of trade sanctions against them. Despite poor relations with the [[~~Imperial~~ Synod]], the Plenum have struck several important trade deals with the Empire in recent years and even granted them an opportunity to preach their virtues to the people of [[Asavean_Archipelago_ports#Nemoria\|Nemoria]]. They feel snubbed by the refusal to invite them to the summit. The taxes imposed on Asavean trade by the Empire have hurt even more however and the Asavean Archipelago has responded in kind imposing high tariffs on a range of important goods from the Empire, Axos and the Commonwealth.		The [[Asavean_Archipelago#Politics\|Plenum]] of Asavea are furious at the Empire's declaration of trade sanctions against them. Despite poor relations with the [[Synod]], the Plenum have struck several important trade deals with the Empire in recent years and even granted them an opportunity to preach their virtues to the people of [[Asavean_Archipelago_ports#Nemoria\|Nemoria]]. They feel snubbed by the refusal to invite them to the summit. The taxes imposed on Asavean trade by the Empire have hurt even more however and the Asavean Archipelago has responded in kind imposing high tariffs on a range of important goods from the Empire, Axos and the Commonwealth.

	The Heraclien and the Ragnabe families who supply the [[Overseer of the Cavabianca Dock\|Cavabianca Dock]] with white granite have made their displeasure plain and are openly suggesting that there are other nations on the Bay of Catazar that would be willing to purchase their wares. The price for white granite at the docks has leapt as a result of the taxes but there may be a further reduction in amount of white granite offered as the families involved look to develop markets elsewhere. There are similar impacts on the options available to the [[Imperial Delegate to the Temple in Feroz]] and the [[Ambassador_to_Asavea#Asavean_Merchants\|Ambassador to Asavea]]. With fewer offerings being made at the temple to the Seven Lords of Virtue, the [[Liaison to the Temple in Nemoria]] has likewise seen an immediate reduction in the gifts and recompense they receive for the [[liao]] they donate to the temple.		The Heraclien and the Ragnabe families who supply the [[Overseer of the Cavabianca Dock\|Cavabianca Dock]] with white granite have made their displeasure plain and are openly suggesting that there are other nations on the Bay of Catazar that would be willing to purchase their wares. The price for white granite at the docks has leapt as a result of the taxes but there may be a further reduction in amount of white granite offered as the families involved look to develop markets elsewhere. There are similar impacts on the options available to the [[Imperial Delegate to the Temple in Feroz]] and the [[Ambassador_to_Asavea#Asavean_Merchants\|Ambassador to Asavea]]. With fewer offerings being made at the temple to the Seven Lords of Virtue, the [[Liaison to the Temple in Nemoria]] has likewise seen an immediate reduction in the gifts and recompense they receive for the [[liao]] they donate to the temple.

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	During the [[Rope and iron\|Winter Solstice]] representatives of the [[Sumaah Republic]], the [[Commonwealth]], the [[Sarcophan Delves]], and [[Axos]] journeyed to Anvil to meet with Imperial representatives to discuss the [[ratify Liberty Pact\|Liberty Pact]], an agreement between states to outlaw slavery and to implement trade [[Tariffs#Sanctions\|sanctions]] against any nations that fit the definition of slavers. All delegates, bar the Sarcophan Delves, signed this historic treaty and the ramifications are now being felt across the world.		During the [[Rope and iron\|Winter Solstice]] representatives of the [[Sumaah Republic]], the [[Commonwealth]], the [[Sarcophan Delves]], and [[Axos]] journeyed to Anvil to meet with Imperial representatives to discuss the [[ratify Liberty Pact\|Liberty Pact]], an agreement between states to outlaw slavery and to implement trade [[Tariffs#Sanctions\|sanctions]] against any nations that fit the definition of slavers. All delegates, bar the Sarcophan Delves, signed this historic treaty and the ramifications are now being felt across the world.

	The [[~~Imperial~~ Senate]] also instructed the Imperial civil service to carry out an [[Appraisal_of_trade_sanctions\|appraisal of the trade sanctions]] to see what options exist to mitigate any negative consequences of the sanctions.		The [[Senate]] also instructed the Imperial civil service to carry out an [[Appraisal_of_trade_sanctions\|appraisal of the trade sanctions]] to see what options exist to mitigate any negative consequences of the sanctions.

	==Impact and Mitigation==		==Impact and Mitigation==

Twiggy at 17:37, 27 September 2025

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	The opinion of the majority of the Dukes and Duchesses of the Iron Confederacy is that the new trade sanctions are only the latest in a string of insults by the Empire. They make clear that the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Robec\|Robec]] was opened as part of a mutually beneficial exchange. In light of the Empire's decision they have chosen to [[tariffs#Embargo\|embargo]] all trade with the Empire, the [[Iron_Confederacy_ports#Robec\|port of Robec]] has been closed effective immediately. Any traders attempting to dock there are informed that they may not load or unload, and warned that if they remain then they could be arrested and their vessels and cargo impounded.		The opinion of the majority of the Dukes and Duchesses of the Iron Confederacy is that the new trade sanctions are only the latest in a string of insults by the Empire. They make clear that the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Robec\|Robec]] was opened as part of a mutually beneficial exchange. In light of the Empire's decision they have chosen to [[tariffs#Embargo\|embargo]] all trade with the Empire, the [[Iron_Confederacy_ports#Robec\|port of Robec]] has been closed effective immediately. Any traders attempting to dock there are informed that they may not load or unload, and warned that if they remain then they could be arrested and their vessels and cargo impounded.

	The over-reaction seems strange given that it comes so soon after the decision to [[Ratify treaty with the Iron Confederacy\|ratify a treaty]] with the Confederacy to resolve the issues of imperial espionage and supply of illegal drugs. Seasoned civil servants who work for the [[Secretary to the Diplomatic Corps]] warn that the response might well have worse had the Empire ''not'' attempted to address those problems at the same time.		The over-reaction seems strange given that it comes so soon after the decision to [[Ratify treaty with the Iron Confederacy\|ratify a treaty]] with the Confederacy to resolve the issues of imperial espionage and supply of illegal drugs. Seasoned civil servants who work for the [[Civil Service\|Secretary to the Diplomatic Corps]] warn that the response might well have worse had the Empire ''not'' attempted to address those problems at the same time.

	The impact of the embargo on the Imperial treasury is relatively small; there simply isn't that much trade between the Confederacy and the Empire to disrupt. The only other notable losses are those faced by the [[Ambassador to the Iron Confederacy]] themselves. Although Imperial merchants are not permitted to cross the border or dock at Robec, there are still some Suranni merchants brave enough to travel to Imperial ports. However the benefits derived from [[Ambassador_to_the_Iron_Confederacy#Suranni_Merchants\|merchants]] attempting to cultivate favour with the Ambassador are heavily reduced.		The impact of the embargo on the Imperial treasury is relatively small; there simply isn't that much trade between the Confederacy and the Empire to disrupt. The only other notable losses are those faced by the [[Ambassador to the Iron Confederacy]] themselves. Although Imperial merchants are not permitted to cross the border or dock at Robec, there are still some Suranni merchants brave enough to travel to Imperial ports. However the benefits derived from [[Ambassador_to_the_Iron_Confederacy#Suranni_Merchants\|merchants]] attempting to cultivate favour with the Ambassador are heavily reduced.

Twiggy: /* The Asavean Archipelago */

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The Asavean Archipelago

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	==The Asavean Archipelago==		==The Asavean Archipelago==
	* '''The loss to the Imperial treasury will be 46 thrones each season.'''		* '''The loss to the Imperial treasury will be 46 thrones each season.'''
	The [[Asavean_Archipelago#Politics\|Plenum]] of Asavea are furious at the Empire's declaration of trade sanctions against them. Despite poor relations with the [[Imperial Synod]], the Plenum have struck several important trade deals with the Empire in recent years and even granted them an opportunity to preach their virtues to the people of [[Asavean_Archipelago_ports#Nemoria\|Nemoria]]. They feel snubbed by the refusal to invite them to the summit. The taxes imposed on Asavean trade by the Empire have hurt even more however and the Asavean Archipelago has responded in kind imposing high tariffs on a range of important goods from the Empire, Axos and ~~the~~ the Commonwealth.		The [[Asavean_Archipelago#Politics\|Plenum]] of Asavea are furious at the Empire's declaration of trade sanctions against them. Despite poor relations with the [[Imperial Synod]], the Plenum have struck several important trade deals with the Empire in recent years and even granted them an opportunity to preach their virtues to the people of [[Asavean_Archipelago_ports#Nemoria\|Nemoria]]. They feel snubbed by the refusal to invite them to the summit. The taxes imposed on Asavean trade by the Empire have hurt even more however and the Asavean Archipelago has responded in kind imposing high tariffs on a range of important goods from the Empire, Axos and the Commonwealth.

	The Heraclien and the Ragnabe families who supply the [[Overseer of the Cavabianca Dock\|Cavabianca Dock]] with white granite have made their displeasure plain and are openly suggesting that there are other nations on the Bay of Catazar that would be willing to purchase their wares. The price for white granite at the docks has leapt as a result of the taxes but there may be a further reduction in amount of white granite offered as the families involved look to develop markets elsewhere. There are similar impacts on the options available to the [[Imperial Delegate to the Temple in Feroz]] and the [[Ambassador_to_Asavea#Asavean_Merchants\|Ambassador to Asavea]]. With fewer offerings being made at the temple to the Seven Lords of Virtue, the [[Liaison to the Temple in Nemoria]] has likewise seen an immediate reduction in the gifts and recompense they receive for the [[liao]] they donate to the temple.		The Heraclien and the Ragnabe families who supply the [[Overseer of the Cavabianca Dock\|Cavabianca Dock]] with white granite have made their displeasure plain and are openly suggesting that there are other nations on the Bay of Catazar that would be willing to purchase their wares. The price for white granite at the docks has leapt as a result of the taxes but there may be a further reduction in amount of white granite offered as the families involved look to develop markets elsewhere. There are similar impacts on the options available to the [[Imperial Delegate to the Temple in Feroz]] and the [[Ambassador_to_Asavea#Asavean_Merchants\|Ambassador to Asavea]]. With fewer offerings being made at the temple to the Seven Lords of Virtue, the [[Liaison to the Temple in Nemoria]] has likewise seen an immediate reduction in the gifts and recompense they receive for the [[liao]] they donate to the temple.

Rosemary: /* Proposal: Road to Axos */

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Proposal: Road to Axos

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	Currently, the Citadels of Axos are having problems of their own, but Naomi anticipates that relations will return to normal within the next six months. One of the biggest obstacles to increased trade with Axos is the lack of an accessible land route. Most trade come via the [[Bay of Catazar]] and is subject to interference of the [[Grendel]]. The Axou have been keen to see a land trade-route for some time. The problem is that the Empire does not have a land border with Axos - or with a nation that is at peace with bother of them. At the moment Naomi suggests there are three territories that might potentially allow for a direct route to the Empire.		Currently, the Citadels of Axos are having problems of their own, but Naomi anticipates that relations will return to normal within the next six months. One of the biggest obstacles to increased trade with Axos is the lack of an accessible land route. Most trade come via the [[Bay of Catazar]] and is subject to interference of the [[Grendel]]. The Axou have been keen to see a land trade-route for some time. The problem is that the Empire does not have a land border with Axos - or with a nation that is at peace with bother of them. At the moment Naomi suggests there are three territories that might potentially allow for a direct route to the Empire.

	She is confident that newly discovered [[Tsark]] borders the westernmost of the Axou territories, but of course there is no diplomatic link between either nation and the strange inhabitants of the isolated teritory. Secondly, it is possible that the [[The_Mallum#The_Sarangrave\|Sarangrave]] in [[the Mallum]] is north of Axos but it is difficult to be sure without [[spy network\|further investigation]]. Finally, the Axou might be able to secure a route via [[Skoura]] if the territory of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Mareave\|Mareave]] were not under the control of the Grendel although that would ideally require confirmation from Ilarch ~~Maxatious~~.		She is confident that newly discovered [[Tsark]] borders the westernmost of the Axou territories, but of course there is no diplomatic link between either nation and the strange inhabitants of the isolated teritory. Secondly, it is possible that the [[The_Mallum#The_Sarangrave\|Sarangrave]] in [[the Mallum]] is north of Axos but it is difficult to be sure without [[spy network\|further investigation]]. Finally, the Axou might be able to secure a route via [[Skoura]] if the territory of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Mareave\|Mareave]] were not under the control of the Grendel although that would ideally require confirmation from Ilarch Maxatios.

	Obviously the first step would require either military or diplomatic action to secure access to land on the borders for either the Empire or Axos (or both).		Obviously the first step would require either military or diplomatic action to secure access to land on the borders for either the Empire or Axos (or both).

Hailmur: /* Proposal: Mountain Road */

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Proposal: Mountain Road

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	The routes taken by merchants carrying goods between Otkodov and the Empire are treacherous and difficult. The roads are almost non-existent and what few do exist are often blocked by snowfalls in Winter and floods in Spring. The slow pace of travel makes any wagon attempting the journey a promising target for brigands and outlaws unless they are well guarded.		The routes taken by merchants carrying goods between Otkodov and the Empire are treacherous and difficult. The roads are almost non-existent and what few do exist are often blocked by snowfalls in Winter and floods in Spring. The slow pace of travel makes any wagon attempting the journey a promising target for brigands and outlaws unless they are well guarded.

	A sturdy well built road, ideally heading north through the mountains from [[Miekarova#Olodny\|Olodny]] in [[Miekarova]] into well-populated [[Verthandi#Erskjuvaten\|Erskjuvaten]], could largely negate these problems. The road would boost trade to the levels enjoyed before the imposition of tariffs. It would be a significant construction - requiring a hundred wains of white granite and two hundred crowns - and would take a year to complete. But each season of full construction would see the impact of the tariffs on the Imperial treasury reduced by a quarter of the initial loss, until they were completely gone. Any such commission would need the permission of the Dragons since it would involve construction on both sides of the border; it would be up to the Ambassador to ~~Otkoov~~, currently '''Yevgeni Katzev''', to secure that permission.		A sturdy well built road, ideally heading north through the mountains from [[Miekarova#Olodny\|Olodny]] in [[Miekarova]] into well-populated [[Verthandi#Erskjuvaten\|Erskjuvaten]], could largely negate these problems. The road would boost trade to the levels enjoyed before the imposition of tariffs. It would be a significant construction - requiring a hundred wains of white granite and two hundred crowns - and would take a year to complete. But each season of full construction would see the impact of the tariffs on the Imperial treasury reduced by a quarter of the initial loss, until they were completely gone. Any such commission would need the permission of the Dragons since it would involve construction on both sides of the border; it would be up to the [[Ambassador to Otkodov]], currently '''Yevgeni Katzev''', to secure that permission.

	The road would also have important strategic implications, since the road could be used by an invading army as easily as by a merchant caravan. Any Imperial army attacking Otkodov from [[Miekarova#Mieriada\|Mieriada]] could do so without the [[War#Supply_Lines\|usual penalty]] for attacking a new territory - unless the Dragons chose to build a [[fortification]] in [[Verthandi#Erskjuvaten\|Erskjuvaten]] to guard the road against just such an attack. By the same token, any Thule army attacking Miekarova from Erskjuvaten would receive the same benefit. While the [[Miekarova#Grimhold\|Grimhold in Perumaki]] would protect Miekarova as normal, it wouldn't prevent an invading Thule army taking advantage of the benefits provided by the new road - only a fortification built in Mieriada could do that.		The road would also have important strategic implications, since the road could be used by an invading army as easily as by a merchant caravan. Any Imperial army attacking Otkodov from [[Miekarova#Mieriada\|Mieriada]] could do so without the [[War#Supply_Lines\|usual penalty]] for attacking a new territory - unless the Dragons chose to build a [[fortification]] in [[Verthandi#Erskjuvaten\|Erskjuvaten]] to guard the road against just such an attack. By the same token, any Thule army attacking Miekarova from Erskjuvaten would receive the same benefit. While the [[Miekarova#Grimhold\|Grimhold in Perumaki]] would protect Miekarova as normal, it wouldn't prevent an invading Thule army taking advantage of the benefits provided by the new road - only a fortification built in Mieriada could do that.

	===Regarding Imperial Lore===		===Regarding Imperial Lore===
	Naomi does ''not'' propose giving the Thule access to Imperial Lore. The benefits of doing so for Jarm and the Commonwealth are very clear, and the risks minimal. By contrast the proximity of Otkodov to the Empire, and the past history between the two nations, leads her to surmise that sharing Imperial Lore with the Thule could potentially have severe negative repercussions.		Naomi does ''not'' propose giving the Thule access to Imperial Lore. The benefits of doing so for Jarm and the Commonwealth are very clear, and the risks minimal. By contrast the proximity of Otkodov to the Empire, and the past history between the two nations, leads her to surmise that sharing Imperial Lore with the Thule could potentially have severe negative repercussions.

RichardRaynor at 21:30, 20 January 2022

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	[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:383YE]][[Category:Recent History]][[Category:Appraisal]]		[[Category:Winds of Fortune]][[Category:383YE Spring]][[Category:Recent History]][[Category:Appraisal]]
	<ic>Bożimir clicked his fingers, to catch his slave's attention. It was unseasonably hot today and working in those conditions always made him thirsty. "Not wine - water" he ordered the slave as they rushed to refill his goblet. He'd need his wits about him later, best not to drink too much now.		<ic>Bożimir clicked his fingers, to catch his slave's attention. It was unseasonably hot today and working in those conditions always made him thirsty. "Not wine - water" he ordered the slave as they rushed to refill his goblet. He'd need his wits about him later, best not to drink too much now.

Matt: /* Proposal: Commonwealth Magicians */

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Proposal: Commonwealth Magicians

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	The Sarcophan Delves has already presented a [[The_mathematics_of_tears\|number of proposals]] for mutual enrichment; in particular the construction of [[The_mathematics_of_tears#Sarcophan_Enclaves\|Sarcophan enclaves]] in [[Sarvos]] and [[Karsk]]. If either or both of these enclaves were approved they would encourage more traders from the Delves to visit the Empire, as well as potentially providing support for the businesses being damaged by a loss of foreign trade.		The Sarcophan Delves has already presented a [[The_mathematics_of_tears\|number of proposals]] for mutual enrichment; in particular the construction of [[The_mathematics_of_tears#Sarcophan_Enclaves\|Sarcophan enclaves]] in [[Sarvos]] and [[Karsk]]. If either or both of these enclaves were approved they would encourage more traders from the Delves to visit the Empire, as well as potentially providing support for the businesses being damaged by a loss of foreign trade.
	===Proposal: Commonwealth Magicians===		===Proposal: Commonwealth Magicians===
	As [[#The_price_of_liberty#Proposal:_Shared_Knowledge\|mentioned above]], the Conclave would receive a boost to trade from the Commonwealth by permitting their magicians to study Imperial Lore. As already detailed, however, offering the Commonwealth access to Imperial Lore without offering the same to the Principalities of Jarm would cause relations with the Jarmish to deteriorate further.		As [[The_price_of_liberty#Proposal:_Shared_Knowledge\|mentioned above]], the Conclave would receive a boost to trade from the Commonwealth by permitting their magicians to study Imperial Lore. As already detailed, however, offering the Commonwealth access to Imperial Lore without offering the same to the Principalities of Jarm would cause relations with the Jarmish to deteriorate further.

	===Proposal: Sumaah Detente===		===Proposal: Sumaah Detente===

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	An obvious way to mitigate the impact on trade and relations with Asavea would be to construct and [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|cede]] temples in each of the [[territory\|territories]] that lie on the [[Bay of Catazar]]. The effect of [[Feroz#The_Temple_of_Balo_and_the_Black_Bull\|the temple in Feroz]] cannot be understated; the guards and the sailors of the ships who dock at Imperial ports are comforted by having a place where they can perform the ministrations, and seek advice, away from home. Building similar temples in [[Madruga]], [[Sarvos]], [[Necropolis]], and [[Redoubt]] would demonstrate Imperial acceptance of the Asavean gods.		An obvious way to mitigate the impact on trade and relations with Asavea would be to construct and [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|cede]] temples in each of the [[territory\|territories]] that lie on the [[Bay of Catazar]]. The effect of [[Feroz#The_Temple_of_Balo_and_the_Black_Bull\|the temple in Feroz]] cannot be understated; the guards and the sailors of the ships who dock at Imperial ports are comforted by having a place where they can perform the ministrations, and seek advice, away from home. Building similar temples in [[Madruga]], [[Sarvos]], [[Necropolis]], and [[Redoubt]] would demonstrate Imperial acceptance of the Asavean gods.

	Each temple could be [[commission\|commissioned]] with ~~it's~~ own [[Senate motion]], or the Imperial Senate could pass a motion to build a temple in every territory on the Bay of Catazar that has significant trade with the Asaveans and does not already have one. Whichever legal approach is taken, each temple would require a single commission, 30 wains of white granite, and 60 crowns as a ''minimum'' to construct. To be effective, the temples would need to be [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|ceded]] to the Asaveans so that their priests can operate them. This can be done as part of the motion to approve the commission. While a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] could in theory commission one of these temples, they do not have the ability to cede them to the Asavean priests and so would not be effective at mitigating lost trade.		Each temple could be [[commission\|commissioned]] with its own [[Senate motion]], or the Imperial Senate could pass a motion to build a temple in every territory on the Bay of Catazar that has significant trade with the Asaveans and does not already have one. Whichever legal approach is taken, each temple would require a single commission, 30 wains of white granite, and 60 crowns as a ''minimum'' to construct. To be effective, the temples would need to be [[Powers_of_the_Imperial_Senate#Concedence\|ceded]] to the Asaveans so that their priests can operate them. This can be done as part of the motion to approve the commission. While a [[Bearer of an Imperial Wayleave]] could in theory commission one of these temples, they do not have the ability to cede them to the Asavean priests and so would not be effective at mitigating lost trade.

	In theory it ''might'' have been possible to get the Asaveans to help with the construction of the temples. However it is now extremely unlikely that any priest of Baddu the Builder is likely to risk coming to the Empire to oversee a commission in light of the fate that [[A_force_to_be_reckoned_with#Asavea_2\|befell Almodin Oktístis]]. Any help with the costs is also doubtful unless the [[Ambassador to Asavea]], currently '''Jarrigk Orzel''', can find a way to assuage the anger of the Plenum		In theory it ''might'' have been possible to get the Asaveans to help with the construction of the temples. However it is now extremely unlikely that any priest of Baddu the Builder is likely to risk coming to the Empire to oversee a commission in light of the fate that [[A_force_to_be_reckoned_with#Asavea_2\|befell Almodin Oktístis]]. Any help with the costs is also doubtful unless the [[Ambassador to Asavea]], currently '''Jarrigk Orzel''', can find a way to assuage the anger of the Plenum

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	The opinion of the majority of the Dukes and Duchesses of the Iron Confederacy is that the new trade sanctions are only the latest in a string of insults by the Empire. They make clear that the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Robec\|Robec]] was opened as part of a mutually beneficial exchange. In light of the Empire's decision they have chosen to [[tariffs#Embargo\|embargo]] all trade with the Empire, the [[Iron_Confederacy_ports#Robec\|port of Robec]] has been closed effective immediately. Any traders attempting to dock there are informed that they may not load or unload, and warned that if they remain then they could be arrested and their vessels and cargo impounded.		The opinion of the majority of the Dukes and Duchesses of the Iron Confederacy is that the new trade sanctions are only the latest in a string of insults by the Empire. They make clear that the port of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Robec\|Robec]] was opened as part of a mutually beneficial exchange. In light of the Empire's decision they have chosen to [[tariffs#Embargo\|embargo]] all trade with the Empire, the [[Iron_Confederacy_ports#Robec\|port of Robec]] has been closed effective immediately. Any traders attempting to dock there are informed that they may not load or unload, and warned that if they remain then they could be arrested and their vessels and cargo impounded.

	The over-reaction seems strange given that it comes so soon after the decision to [[Ratify treaty with the Iron Confederacy\|ratify a treaty]] with the Confederacy to resolve the issues of imperial espionage and supply of illegal drugs. Seasoned civil servants who work for the [[Secretary to the Diplomatic Corps]] warn that the response might well have worse had the Empire ''not'' attempted to address those problems at the same time.		The over-reaction seems strange given that it comes so soon after the decision to [[Ratify treaty with the Iron Confederacy\|ratify a treaty]] with the Confederacy to resolve the issues of imperial espionage and supply of illegal drugs. Seasoned civil servants who work for the [[Civil Service\|Secretary to the Diplomatic Corps]] warn that the response might well have worse had the Empire ''not'' attempted to address those problems at the same time.

	The impact of the embargo on the Imperial treasury is relatively small; there simply isn't that much trade between the Confederacy and the Empire to disrupt. The only other notable losses are those faced by the [[Ambassador to the Iron Confederacy]] themselves. Although Imperial merchants are not permitted to cross the border or dock at Robec, there are still some Suranni merchants brave enough to travel to Imperial ports. However the benefits derived from [[Ambassador_to_the_Iron_Confederacy#Suranni_Merchants\|merchants]] attempting to cultivate favour with the Ambassador are heavily reduced.		The impact of the embargo on the Imperial treasury is relatively small; there simply isn't that much trade between the Confederacy and the Empire to disrupt. The only other notable losses are those faced by the [[Ambassador to the Iron Confederacy]] themselves. Although Imperial merchants are not permitted to cross the border or dock at Robec, there are still some Suranni merchants brave enough to travel to Imperial ports. However the benefits derived from [[Ambassador_to_the_Iron_Confederacy#Suranni_Merchants\|merchants]] attempting to cultivate favour with the Ambassador are heavily reduced.

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	The impact would be significant and far-reaching. The Magician-Princes of Jarm share magical lore among themselves only with great reluctance, so there would be scores of Jarmish magicians traveling to the Empire to study ritual magic for the foreseeable future. Where these wealthy magicians travel, trade would follow. Given the increase in tariffs, the Imperial treasury might even end up benefiting overall - at least where trade with Jarm is concerned. The civil service estimate that the gain to the Imperial treasury would be 60 thrones for as long as the declaration was in effect.		The impact would be significant and far-reaching. The Magician-Princes of Jarm share magical lore among themselves only with great reluctance, so there would be scores of Jarmish magicians traveling to the Empire to study ritual magic for the foreseeable future. Where these wealthy magicians travel, trade would follow. Given the increase in tariffs, the Imperial treasury might even end up benefiting overall - at least where trade with Jarm is concerned. The civil service estimate that the gain to the Imperial treasury would be 60 thrones for as long as the declaration was in effect.

	Allowing Jarmish magicians to study Imperial lore has a number of notable advantages. It wouldn't cost anything - no more than supporting Imperial lore costs the Empire now - and Jarmish magicians wouldn't easily be able to share their knowledge with magicians of other nations, so they would have to travel to the Empire and study there to benefit. By comparison, disseminating individual rituals would need to be done ritual by ritual, at a cost of ~~ten~~ thrones for each, and would create a ritual text that the Jarmish could then potentially share with others.		Allowing Jarmish magicians to study Imperial lore has a number of notable advantages. It wouldn't cost anything - no more than supporting Imperial lore costs the Empire now - and Jarmish magicians wouldn't easily be able to share their knowledge with magicians of other nations, so they would have to travel to the Empire and study there to benefit. By comparison, disseminating individual rituals would need to be done ritual by ritual, at a cost of 10 thrones for each, and would create a ritual text that the Jarmish could then potentially share with others.

	The main downside of this approach would be the delicate balance of Imperial relations with the Commonwealth. The staff in the [[Madruga#The_Commonwealth_Embassy\|Commonwealth Embassy]] have made abundantly clear that they would see any sharing of magical knowledge with the Magician-Princes as a clear sign of Imperial favour for Jarm. However in theory the Conclave could solve even that diplomatic problem simply by issuing the same declaration of concord with respect to the Commonwealth. That would largely forestall any argument of impartiality by the Empire, but also mean a boost in trade and taxation to the Imperial treasury equal to 10 thrones a season, from Commonwealth magicians traveling here to study.		The main downside of this approach would be the delicate balance of Imperial relations with the Commonwealth. The staff in the [[Madruga#The_Commonwealth_Embassy\|Commonwealth Embassy]] have made abundantly clear that they would see any sharing of magical knowledge with the Magician-Princes as a clear sign of Imperial favour for Jarm. However in theory the Conclave could solve even that diplomatic problem simply by issuing the same declaration of concord with respect to the Commonwealth. That would largely forestall any argument of impartiality by the Empire, but also mean a boost in trade and taxation to the Imperial treasury equal to 10 thrones a season, from Commonwealth magicians traveling here to study.
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	The most dramatic step that the Empire could take to improve trade with the Faraden would be to conquer the territory of Reinos. The territory lies to the west of [[Kahraman]] and [[Segura]] and is currently held by the Jotun. The Jotun have little interest in supporting trade with the Empire and thus charge heavy tariffs of any merchants attempting to reach the Empire via that route.		The most dramatic step that the Empire could take to improve trade with the Faraden would be to conquer the territory of Reinos. The territory lies to the west of [[Kahraman]] and [[Segura]] and is currently held by the Jotun. The Jotun have little interest in supporting trade with the Empire and thus charge heavy tariffs of any merchants attempting to reach the Empire via that route.

	If the Empire were able to conquer Reinos - or at least enough of Reinos that the Faraden could reach Imperial territory without passing through land controlled by the Jotun - then Faraden caravans could trade with the Empire without having to pay taxes to the Jotun. That would benefit the trade between the two nations - which would alleviate the fiscal impact of the tariffs imposed on Faraden trade. That would mean that the 21 ~~Throne~~ 2 crown penalty was negated. It would also mean that the Jotun suffered an equivalent loss of taxation though any consequences of that are not likely to be visible to the Empire.		If the Empire were able to conquer Reinos - or at least enough of Reinos that the Faraden could reach Imperial territory without passing through land controlled by the Jotun - then Faraden caravans could trade with the Empire without having to pay taxes to the Jotun. That would benefit the trade between the two nations - which would alleviate the fiscal impact of the tariffs imposed on Faraden trade. That would mean that the 21 throne 2 crown penalty was negated. It would also mean that the Jotun suffered an equivalent loss of taxation though any consequences of that are not likely to be visible to the Empire.

	===Proposal: The Justice Question===		===Proposal: The Justice Question===
	One of the points of contention between the Empire and Faraden is one of faith. The Faraden follow four of the same virtues as the Empire, but they both eschew three others and enshrine one that the Empire considers to be [[Malign_spiritual_presences\|malignant]] - Justice (or as the Synod terms it, [[Malign_spiritual_presences#Vengeance\|Vengeance]].)		One of the points of contention between the Empire and Faraden is one of faith. The Faraden follow four of the same virtues as the Empire, but they both eschew three others and enshrine one that the Empire considers to be [[Malign_spiritual_presences\|malignant]] - Justice (or as the Synod terms it, [[Malign_spiritual_presences#Vengeance\|Vengeance]].)

	The [[Assembly#General_Assembly\|General Assembly]] could pass a suitably worded [[statement of principle]] declaring that the spiritual force of Justice while not one of the seven virtues is a quality that may benefit humanity, and while it does not aid human spirits in their passage through the Labyrinth, it does not hinder it (in keeping with the [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Seven\|Doctrine of the Seven]]). If they do this, and the statement receives a [[Judgement#Greater_Majority\|Greater Majority]], it would go some way towards reassuring the Faraden families that the Empire is open to compromise, as well as encouraging traders who otherwise would not come to the Empire for reasons of faith that they will receive a welcome. Naomi estimates that this would bring in 5 ~~Thrones~~ in additional trade for the Imperial Treasury, and potentially even more depending on whether it lead to any [[mandate\|mandates]].		The [[Assembly#General_Assembly\|General Assembly]] could pass a suitably worded [[statement of principle]] declaring that the spiritual force of Justice while not one of the seven virtues is a quality that may benefit humanity, and while it does not aid human spirits in their passage through the Labyrinth, it does not hinder it (in keeping with the [[The_Doctrines_of_the_Faith#The_Doctrine_of_Seven\|Doctrine of the Seven]]). If they do this, and the statement receives a [[Judgement#Greater_Majority\|Greater Majority]], it would go some way towards reassuring the Faraden families that the Empire is open to compromise, as well as encouraging traders who otherwise would not come to the Empire for reasons of faith that they will receive a welcome. Naomi estimates that this would bring in 5 thrones in additional trade for the Imperial Treasury, and potentially even more depending on whether it lead to any [[mandate\|mandates]].

	Naomi cautions that this statement would need to be clear and concise and be explicit that they are referring to the spiritual force of Justice. Anodyne statements about the abstract concept of justice will not help and may even risk causing the Faraden to become even more annoyed.		Naomi cautions that this statement would need to be clear and concise and be explicit that they are referring to the spiritual force of Justice. Anodyne statements about the abstract concept of justice will not help and may even risk causing the Faraden to become even more annoyed.
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	Currently, the Citadels of Axos are having problems of their own, but Naomi anticipates that relations will return to normal within the next six months. One of the biggest obstacles to increased trade with Axos is the lack of an accessible land route. Most trade come via the [[Bay of Catazar]] and is subject to interference of the [[Grendel]]. The Axou have been keen to see a land trade-route for some time. The problem is that the Empire does not have a land border with Axos - or with a nation that is at peace with bother of them. At the moment Naomi suggests there are three territories that might potentially allow for a direct route to the Empire.		Currently, the Citadels of Axos are having problems of their own, but Naomi anticipates that relations will return to normal within the next six months. One of the biggest obstacles to increased trade with Axos is the lack of an accessible land route. Most trade come via the [[Bay of Catazar]] and is subject to interference of the [[Grendel]]. The Axou have been keen to see a land trade-route for some time. The problem is that the Empire does not have a land border with Axos - or with a nation that is at peace with bother of them. At the moment Naomi suggests there are three territories that might potentially allow for a direct route to the Empire.

	She is confident that newly discovered [[Tsark]] borders the westernmost of the Axou territories, but of course there is no diplomatic link between either nation and the strange inhabitants of the isolated ~~teritory~~. Secondly, it is possible that the [[The_Mallum#The_Sarangrave\|Sarangrave]] in [[the Mallum]] is north of Axos but it is difficult to be sure without [[spy network\|further investigation]]. Finally, the Axou might be able to secure a route via [[Skoura]] if the territory of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Mareave\|Mareave]] were not under the control of the Grendel although that would ideally require confirmation from Ilarch Maxatios.		She is confident that newly discovered [[Tsark]] borders the westernmost of the Axou territories, but of course there is no diplomatic link between either nation and the strange inhabitants of the isolated territory. Secondly, it is possible that the [[The_Mallum#The_Sarangrave\|Sarangrave]] in [[the Mallum]] is north of Axos but it is difficult to be sure without [[spy network\|further investigation]]. Finally, the Axou might be able to secure a route via [[Skoura]] if the territory of [[Bay_of_Catazar#Mareave\|Mareave]] were not under the control of the Grendel although that would ideally require confirmation from Ilarch Maxatios.

	Obviously the first step would require either military or diplomatic action to secure access to land on the borders for either the Empire or Axos (or both).		Obviously the first step would require either military or diplomatic action to secure access to land on the borders for either the Empire or Axos (or both).
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	<tr><th style="background-color: LightBlue;">Nation</th><th style="background-color: LightBlue;">Response</th><th style="background-color: LightBlue;" >Loss of Taxation</th><th style="background-color: LightBlue;" colspan="2">'''Imperial Commissions Affected'''</th></tr>		<tr><th style="background-color: LightBlue;">Nation</th><th style="background-color: LightBlue;">Response</th><th style="background-color: LightBlue;" >Loss of Taxation</th><th style="background-color: LightBlue;" colspan="2">'''Imperial Commissions Affected'''</th></tr>

	<tr><th>Jarm</th><td>Sanctions</td><td>49 ~~Thrones~~ 4 ~~Crowns~~</td><td><ul><li> [[Prime Factor of the Pallas Docks]] </li><li> [[Steward of the Tassato Mana Exchange]] </li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Jarm#Jarmish_Merchants\|Jarmish Embassy]]</li></ul></td></tr>		<tr><th>Jarm</th><td>Sanctions</td><td>49 thrones 4 crowns</td><td><ul><li> [[Prime Factor of the Pallas Docks]] </li><li> [[Steward of the Tassato Mana Exchange]] </li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Jarm#Jarmish_Merchants\|Jarmish Embassy]]</li></ul></td></tr>

	<tr><th>Asavea</th><td>Sanctions</td><td>46 ~~Thrones~~</td><td><ul><li>[[Overseer of the Cavabianca Dock]] </li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Asavea#Asavean_Merchants\|Asavean Embassy]] </li><li> [[Imperial_Delegate_to_the_Temple_in_Feroz\|Temple of Balo and the Black Bull]] </li><li> [[Liaison_to_the_Temple_in_Nemoria\|Temple of the Way in Nemoria]]</li></ul></td></tr>		<tr><th>Asavea</th><td>Sanctions</td><td>46 thrones</td><td><ul><li>[[Overseer of the Cavabianca Dock]] </li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Asavea#Asavean_Merchants\|Asavean Embassy]] </li><li> [[Imperial_Delegate_to_the_Temple_in_Feroz\|Temple of Balo and the Black Bull]] </li><li> [[Liaison_to_the_Temple_in_Nemoria\|Temple of the Way in Nemoria]]</li></ul></td></tr>

	<tr><th>Thule</th><td>Sanctions</td><td>21 ~~Thrones~~ 2 ~~Crowns~~</td><td><ul><li> [[Bonesetter of Torfast Trading Post]] </li><li> [[Broker of Treji Wayhouse]] </li><li> [[Northbound Trademaster]] </li><li> [[Overseer of the Westward Road]] </li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Otkodov#Thule_Merchants\|Thule Embassy]]</li></ul></td></tr>		<tr><th>Thule</th><td>Sanctions</td><td>21 thrones 2 crowns</td><td><ul><li> [[Bonesetter of Torfast Trading Post]] </li><li> [[Broker of Treji Wayhouse]] </li><li> [[Northbound Trademaster]] </li><li> [[Overseer of the Westward Road]] </li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Otkodov#Thule_Merchants\|Thule Embassy]]</li></ul></td></tr>

	<tr><th>Faraden</th><td>None Yet</td><td>21 ~~Thrones~~ 2 ~~Crowns~~</td><td><ul><li> [[Upwold#Moonwater_Hall\|Moonwater Hall]] </li><li> [[Segura#The_Towers_of_Anduz\|Towers of Anduz]] </li><li>[[Gloaming Road]]</li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Faraden#Faraden_Merchants\|Faraden Embassy]]</li></ul></td></tr>		<tr><th>Faraden</th><td>None Yet</td><td>21 thrones 2 crowns</td><td><ul><li> [[Upwold#Moonwater_Hall\|Moonwater Hall]] </li><li> [[Segura#The_Towers_of_Anduz\|Towers of Anduz]] </li><li>[[Gloaming Road]]</li><li> [[Ambassador_to_Faraden#Faraden_Merchants\|Faraden Embassy]]</li></ul></td></tr>
	<tr><th>Iron Confederacy</th><td>Embargo</td><td> 5 ~~Thrones~~ 3 ~~Crowns~~</td><td><ul><li>[[Ambassador_to_the_Iron_Confederacy#Suranni_Merchants\|Suranni Ambassador]]</li></ul></td></tr>		<tr><th>Iron Confederacy</th><td>Embargo</td><td> 5 thrones 3 crowns</td><td><ul><li>[[Ambassador_to_the_Iron_Confederacy#Suranni_Merchants\|Suranni Ambassador]]</li></ul></td></tr>
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