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Construct Healing House of Wittal Grove
 
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* 56 wains of weirwood
* 56 wains of weirwood
* 14 thrones in labour costs
* 14 thrones in labour costs
==Progress==
{{CommissionProgress|Healing_House_of_Wittal_Grove}}
{{CommissionProgress|Healing_House_of_Wittal_Grove}}
==Outcome==
==Outcome==
* 328 thrones disbursed to the Senator for Kallavesa
* 328 thrones disbursed to the Senator for Kallavesa
* Once completed the great work will provide a shared bounty to all [[herb garden|herb gardens]] in Kallavesa
* Once completed the great work will provide a shared bounty to all [[herb garden|herb gardens]] in Kallavesa
* The Senate has chosen not to create an [[Imperial title]] to accompany the great work
* There are constitutional issues with this commission
 
==Constitution==
==Constitution==
* The [[All_lift_together#Healing_House_of_Wittal_Grove|opportunity]] presented an option to create an [[Imperial title]] to oversee the Healing House. This was not presented as part of the Senate Motion.  
* The [[All_lift_together#Healing_House_of_Wittal_Grove|opportunity]] presented an option to create an [[Imperial title]] to oversee the Healing House. This was not presented as part of the Senate Motion.  
* Without the title "Grimnir of Wittal Grove" and a commitment that "" the title ... is intended specifically to be held by a grimnir", this commission does not receive the support of the grimnir of Wintermark.
* Discussion with Senator Kallavesa confirmed the intent to create the title [[Grimnir of Wittal Grove]] with the intent that "the title ... is intended specifically to be held by a grimnir".
* Without the support of the Grimnir of Wintermark, the Healing House would require a commission slot from the Senate which was not available when the motion was raised.
* The commission will go ahead but an administrative motion will be raised to allow the Senate to abrogate the title if they wish. Should they do so, this will create significant problems with the grimnir of Wintermark who have committed their time and resources to supporting the House.
* The civil service is keen to hear from the Senator for Kallavesa who raised the motion to clarify the situation. If they are not able to do so, the commission cannot go ahead in it's current form. ('''OOC Note:''' The Senator for Kallavesa should e-mail [Plot@Profounddecisions.co.uk plot] to let us know what their intention was).
* The constitutional court notes that this convoluted approach is being put forward as a consequence of the [[Cloud_waves_break|problems caused by memory altering mists]], and urges all Senators to ensure they have included vital details on their Senate motion in future.
* If the senator ''does''  confirm that the intent was for the motion to include the title along with the supplementary conditions, then the commission will go ahead but an [[administrative motion]] will be raised to allow the Senate to abrogate the title. This will require a commission slot from Spring 384YE as the commission will lose the support of the grimnir at that point.
* The [[384YE_Spring_Equinox_Senate_sessions#Abrogate_Grimnir_of_Wittal_Grove|administrative motion]] was raised and failed.
* The constitutional court notes that this convoluted approach is being put forward as a consequence of the [[problems caused by memory altering mists]], and urges all Senators to ensure they have included vital details on their Senate motion in future.

Latest revision as of 18:38, 2 April 2023


To permit the build of a great work, Healing House of Wittal Grove in Wittal, Kallavesa, to benefit herb garden owners.


Costs: 56 wains of weirwood and 14 thrones in labour

Proposed by Kallavesa, Seconded by Mitwold

Overview

Date

  • Winter 383YE

Cost

  • Non-standard costs apply
  • 56 wains of weirwood
  • 14 thrones in labour costs

Progress

  • 7 thrones and 28 wains of weirwood provided by Vauraus Korppitkotka after Spring Equinox 384YE
  • 7 thrones and 28 wains of weirwood provided by Rane Shardbearer after Spring Equinox 384YE

Outcome

  • 328 thrones disbursed to the Senator for Kallavesa
  • Once completed the great work will provide a shared bounty to all herb gardens in Kallavesa
  • There are constitutional issues with this commission

Constitution

  • The opportunity presented an option to create an Imperial title to oversee the Healing House. This was not presented as part of the Senate Motion.
  • Discussion with Senator Kallavesa confirmed the intent to create the title Grimnir of Wittal Grove with the intent that "the title ... is intended specifically to be held by a grimnir".
  • The commission will go ahead but an administrative motion will be raised to allow the Senate to abrogate the title if they wish. Should they do so, this will create significant problems with the grimnir of Wintermark who have committed their time and resources to supporting the House.
  • The constitutional court notes that this convoluted approach is being put forward as a consequence of the problems caused by memory altering mists, and urges all Senators to ensure they have included vital details on their Senate motion in future.
  • The administrative motion was raised and failed.
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