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==Writ of Consecration==
==Writ of Consecration==
===Judgement 5===
* '''Assembly:''' Vigilance
* '''Raised By:''' Estella Lucati
* '''Judgement:''' At the Autumn Equinox 387YE, the League National Assembly recognised the Great Chain of Sarvos as an Inspirational Location for it had repelled repeated assaults by idolatrous pirates. I beseech the Assembly to grant a Writ of Consecration so that the Great Chains may be blessed by the True Liao that was provided by the Sun Chamber for this purpose. The Great Chain stands as a marvel of ingenuity and engineering whilst embodying the tenet of 'Prepare for Malice, Yet Thwart Malice Before It Strikes Against You'.
* '''Outcome:''' {{GM}} (396-0)
===Judgement 79===
* '''Assembly:''' Vigilance
* '''Raised By:''' Anatolij Paukov Zorkin
* '''Judgement:''' An edifice has been built in Broken Ride, in Sarvos, to honour the Sodality of the Silent bell, with half the white granite coming from the Virtue fund and half from Bryce the Hare. I call for a Writ of Consecration to Vigilance for this site
* '''Outcome:''' Not Upheld (354-0)
===Judgement 116===
* '''Assembly:''' Courage
* '''Raised By:''' Basil Goodbeard
* '''Judgement:''' True courage is selfless. Emperor Ahraz died to demand <u>liberation for the orcs</u> of the Empire, in the  face of great opposition, risking his position and reputation to do what he knew was right. Our world was changed forever by that courageous act. <u>His tomb should be a beacon</u> to all those who fight for their convictions, Ashborn Osso among them. Her bones will join the guardians of this holy ground. <u>We have the true liao</u>: Ashborn Trosk will provide it. "Do not fear to act; only be shamed by inaction."
* '''Outcome:''' {{GM}} (312-0)
===Judgement 125===
* '''Assembly:''' Ambition
* '''Raised By:''' Eldrid 'Phoenix Flame' Vestardottir
* '''Judgement:''' The Empire is an amalgamation of our Ambitions. Each stronger as others take the burden. As Tian bore the flame, Umarth bore the consequence of decision. The Fist of the Mountains paid the price, now our Urizen must take the branches and carry the light. We call for a writ of consecration to build a flame that will burn on the docks of Elos. Let the mystics of Wintermark and the seers and illuminates of Urizen make pilgrimage. There they will reflect on the gift and burden of farsight, to show the Way to their people.
* '''Outcome:''' {{GM}} (332-0)


==Writ of Excommunication==
==Writ of Excommunication==

Revision as of 15:21, 19 June 2026

Overview

Change of Doctrine

Judgement 7

  • Assembly: General
  • Raised By: Erasmo di Tassato
  • Judgement: It has been hundreds of years since the Doctrine of Seven was codified. The Virtuous apply what they have learned; Wisdom knows all knowledge is incomplete. The core of our faith, the Seven Virtues, remain strong - we add context to better reflect what we now know. We update the Doctrine of Seven
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (2039-358)
  • Notes: This judgement amends the Doctrine of Seven. The full implications of this change to the Doctrines of the Faith will be felt over the coming months.

The Doctrine of Seven

The Seven Virtues - Ambition, Courage, Loyalty, Pride, Prosperity, Vigilance, and Wisdom - offer guidance and spiritual strength to humans and orcs through our lives and deaths. Each inspires us to constructive action, bringing great benefit to those who follow them and enriching the world. False virtues and malign spiritual forces are detrimental: discouraging action, removing individual choice, bringing destruction, harming their followers, or those around them.

Veto

Judgement 119

  • Assembly: Urizen
  • Raised By: Catena
  • Judgement: This assembly votes to veto the relinquishment of Thornfen to Axos
  • Outcome: Not upheld (62-206)

Statement of Principle

Mandates

Judgement 3

  • Assembly: Dawnish
  • Raised By: Ser Decimus of House de Bastion
  • Judgement: Where they have sown fear, we will make flowers grow. We send Ser Decimus of House de Bastion with 25 doses of liao to encourage Dawn to take up arms. Glory is there for the taking.
  • Outcome: Upheld (356-26)
  • Enacted Dawnish owners of a business, farm, fleet, herb garden, mana site, mine, or forest can change to to a military unit of the same resource level in the same territory without incurring a cost. Players wishing to take advantage of this opportunity should plot@profounddecisions.co.uk.

Judgement 26

  • Assembly: Highborn
  • Raised By: Ada of Balthazar's Vineyard
  • Judgement: The prosperity of our Varushkan kin is threatened by the harm done to the bees of Karov. With hard work, we can help them quell the fear that has overtaken their bees, and with the inspiration of Kvetmir Kvetmirovic renew trust between that symbol of Prosperity and the people of the vales. We send Ada of Balthazar's Vineyard with 50 doses of liao to spread auras of Prosperity, and to support the work of the vale of Zoloto to right what the Cold Sun has unbalanced.
  • Outcome: Upheld (424-0)
  • Enacted This mandate will help spread the inspiration of Kvetmir Kvetmirovic, and the expertise of the beekeepers of Zoloto. This will prevent the situation with bees in Varushka getting worse, and will slowly encourage bees to take residence in their hives again. It will take at least a year, and bee populations are unlikely to recover completely, but it will ensure there is no measurable impact on the prosperity of southern Varushka, and no lasting damage to the Prosperity of herb gardens, farms, forests, or businesses.
  • Notes: The greater majority threshold for this judgement was 426

Judgement 32

  • Assembly: General
  • Raised By: Skaldsgrym
  • Judgement: The Virtuous build up their fellows, they do not tear them down. We send Erlend with a dose of true liao to consecrate the Virtuous shrine at the Meeting Place. Let us display our Loyalty through the unity of words and deeds.
  • Outcome: Upheld (1490-60)
  • Enacted Erlend will be responsible for a conjunction to the shrine on the grounds of Gull's Isle Hall at the Summer Solstice 388YE.

Judgement 48

  • Assembly: Wintermark
  • Raised By: Thritt
  • Judgement: Mortal Ambition can conquer any obstacle, and unravel any mystery. We send Thritt with 100 doses of liao to urge the guides and explorers of Wintermark to reach out to their fellow Imperials and share the Wisdom of the wastes.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (220-0)
  • Enacted The penalty suffered by military units from nations other than Wintermark or Varushka when operating in the wastes will be reduced from a three-rank penalty to a one-rank penalty. This will apply whether they are scouting or exploring in Tsirku.
  • Note: As Thritt is a banner-bearer, this mandate only cost one hundred liao

Judgement 54

  • Assembly: Navarr
  • Raised By: Teleri Thornweaver
  • Judgement: The Virtuous raise up their fellows. Any nation willing to raise arms and join the Vallornguard shall have our full support. We send Teleri Thornweaver with 50 doses of liao to lead our people in sharing everything we have with the League to prepare to finish the fight.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (252-0)
  • Enacted Navarr from all walks of life will travel to the named nation looking for ways to help. This will generate at least one opportunity for a new Imperial title to help the Vallornguard prepare for the fight with the enemy.

Judgement 58

  • Assembly: Freeborn
  • Raised By: Ignacio i Zuhri i Erigo
  • Judgement: All things can have a price. We send Ignacio i Zuhri i Erigo with 50 doses of liao to encourage the Freeborn to hawk their wares to all and sundry. Strive, toil, and claim the just rewards of your labours!
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (158-0)
  • Enacted Encourages citizens across the Brass Coast to celebrate those Freeborn who are committed to taking every opportunity to turn a profit, ignoring those who called for propriety or charity.

Judgement 65

  • Assembly: Freeborn
  • Raised By: Isario i Riqueza
  • Judgement: We prize freedom and disdain arrogance. We send Isario i Riqueza with 50 doses of liao to encourage the citizens of Segura to create a place to discuss doctrine and encourage free thinkers. Every being deserves to live the life they want in the manner they wish.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (154-0)
  • Enacted Encourage citizens across the Brass Coast to celebrate the legacy of the firebrands - the historical example set by the followers of Emperor Ahraz as well as those living exemplars who share their forebear's commitment to Virtue without doubt or fear, regardless of the disapproval of others

Judgement 108

  • Assembly: Freeborn
  • Raised By: Val
  • Judgement: Life is short, let it never be dull! We send Val with 50 doses of liao to encourage the Freeborn to blaze new trails. Aim high and pursue your dreams, no matter the dangers.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (148-10)
  • Enacted Encourage citizens across the Brass Coast to celebrate the trailblazers amongst them - they will applaud those Freeborn who are committed to overcoming challenges, regardless of the costs and heedless of the risks.

Judgement 126

  • Assembly: Wintermark
  • Raised By: Dag Kinnad
  • Judgement: Prosperity says that we should share our bounty with those who are worthy of it, and the heroes who pursue the dream to Tsirku cannot help but be worthy. We send Hildelith Kaukosdottir with 50 doses of liao to urge the farmers and herders of Sermersuaq to support those who risk the wasteland as best they can.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (198-0)
  • Enacted Reduces the benefit provided to farms in Sermersuaq by the Smokehouse of Atalaq. Surplus provisions suitable for use in Tsirku will be sent to support the scouting network. For as long as these supplies are committed, each season a strength of 500 will be committed to the scouting network. This won't be enough to operate the network by itself, but it will bolster efforts in the north.

Judgement 128

  • Assembly: Wintermark
  • Raised By: Yrkja Riansson Sigeing
  • Judgement: A good death awaits us. We send Yrkja Riansson Sigeing with 25 doses of liao to encourage Wintermark to ready themselves for war. A hero has a name.
  • Outcome: Upheld (156-20)
  • Enacted Wintermark owners of a business, farm, fleet, herb garden, mana site, mine, or forest can change to to a military unit of the same resource level in the same territory without incurring a cost. Players wishing to take advantage of this opportunity should plot@profounddecisions.co.uk.

Judgement 151

  • Assembly: Loyalty
  • Raised By: Leliel, Daughter of Armisael
  • Judgement: The Virtuous raise up their fellows. Any nation willing to raise arms and join the Vallornguard shall have our full support. We send Leliel, Daughter of Armisael, with 25 doses of liao to lead our people in sharing everything we have with the League to prepare to finish the fight.
  • Outcome: Upheld (190-0)
  • Enacted This use of Eyes of Loyalty supported Judgement 54

Judgement 179

  • Assembly: Imperial Orc
  • Raised By: Jim
  • Judgement: A nation is much more than lines on a map. We send Skywise Rykana with 15 crowns to lead a delegation of mystagogues and shamans to discover more of the ancestors of the Great Forest Orcs.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (60-0)
  • Enacted Skywise Rykana will lead a group of willing orcs in search of information and lore about the ancestors of the Great Forest Orcs.

Writ of Consecration

Judgement 5

  • Assembly: Vigilance
  • Raised By: Estella Lucati
  • Judgement: At the Autumn Equinox 387YE, the League National Assembly recognised the Great Chain of Sarvos as an Inspirational Location for it had repelled repeated assaults by idolatrous pirates. I beseech the Assembly to grant a Writ of Consecration so that the Great Chains may be blessed by the True Liao that was provided by the Sun Chamber for this purpose. The Great Chain stands as a marvel of ingenuity and engineering whilst embodying the tenet of 'Prepare for Malice, Yet Thwart Malice Before It Strikes Against You'.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (396-0)

Judgement 79

  • Assembly: Vigilance
  • Raised By: Anatolij Paukov Zorkin
  • Judgement: An edifice has been built in Broken Ride, in Sarvos, to honour the Sodality of the Silent bell, with half the white granite coming from the Virtue fund and half from Bryce the Hare. I call for a Writ of Consecration to Vigilance for this site
  • Outcome: Not Upheld (354-0)

Judgement 116

  • Assembly: Courage
  • Raised By: Basil Goodbeard
  • Judgement: True courage is selfless. Emperor Ahraz died to demand liberation for the orcs of the Empire, in the face of great opposition, risking his position and reputation to do what he knew was right. Our world was changed forever by that courageous act. His tomb should be a beacon to all those who fight for their convictions, Ashborn Osso among them. Her bones will join the guardians of this holy ground. We have the true liao: Ashborn Trosk will provide it. "Do not fear to act; only be shamed by inaction."
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (312-0)

Judgement 125

  • Assembly: Ambition
  • Raised By: Eldrid 'Phoenix Flame' Vestardottir
  • Judgement: The Empire is an amalgamation of our Ambitions. Each stronger as others take the burden. As Tian bore the flame, Umarth bore the consequence of decision. The Fist of the Mountains paid the price, now our Urizen must take the branches and carry the light. We call for a writ of consecration to build a flame that will burn on the docks of Elos. Let the mystics of Wintermark and the seers and illuminates of Urizen make pilgrimage. There they will reflect on the gift and burden of farsight, to show the Way to their people.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (332-0)

Writ of Excommunication

Judgement 33

  • Assembly: General
  • Raised By: Kasmira Milankova Ygrev
  • Judgement: To excommunicate is not a trivial act to be concealed, this assembly have made such clear. And so, in pursuit of employing every avenue to defeat the 'Earl of Groves', to resist the blight of its venom and risk all for their love of the Empire, I raise such a judgement against RHYDIAN DE RONDELL, Champion of Wisdom. I ask this assembly to cast them from this hearth in service of it. Don your cloak and take your fill of bread Rhydian, for this would be a parting. May the weight of this act measure against its worth
  • Outcome: Withdrawn at the request of the raising priest (530-174)

Revocation

Proscription

Inquisition

Judgement 4

  • Assembly: Navarr
  • Raised By: Corey Wayfarer
  • Judgement: Cadwell of the Waystone Path, it is time we discussed your virtue and conduct during your time as general. As such I invite you to inquisition at 9pm on Saturday of this summit at the Brackensong camp. Cheese will be provided.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (252-0)

Judgement 40

  • Assembly: Pride
  • Raised By: Bella Vicente d'Apulian
  • Judgement: Pride is in deeds not words. Elagabala talks a lot of talk. Let's see if it holds up to scrutiny. 12pm. Saturday. Spring 388. Celestial Eclipse, League.
  • Outcome: Upheld (10-0)

Judgement 61

  • Assembly: Vigilance
  • Raised By: Emmeline Weaver
  • Judgement: There's some nasty rumours going about that General Amberlain Pack, Hero of Bregasland, is a Hate cultist. Let's lay these to rest. I call Amberlain to inquisition, 16:45, House de Gauvain, Dawn
  • Outcome: Upheld (148-0)

Judgement 95

  • Assembly: Vigilance
  • Raised By: Ingrid Talon-of-the-Mark
  • Judgement: I call Mael, Marshal of the Faith, to inquisition at 11:00 on Sunday of this summit to investigate their view on the efficacy and virtuous effect of their role.
  • Outcome: Upheld (196-0)

Judgement 129

  • Assembly: Prosperity
  • Raised By: Vauraus "Prosperity's Forge" Korppitkotka
  • Judgement: I call Gancio di Catazar to inquisition at 10:30AM on Sunday at the Spring Equinox 388YE to answer why they arranged a wayleaf to announce a commission that has had no progress and will now lapse
  • Outcome: Upheld (23-0)

Judgement 157

  • Assembly: Marcher
  • Raised By: Brother Geoffrey Orchard
  • Judgement: Friar Book: so far we know you only by the hallowings you have wrough and second hand reports of your preaching. We would seek to know you in person. Come to Anvil, Summer 388, and speak to me of your teachings.
  • Outcome: Upheld (92-60)

Judgement 160

  • Assembly: Vigilance
  • Raised By: Kellin Embercast
  • Judgement: I have walked with Gaelen Embercast for three years. Now, as they set aside their Cardinalship, I wish to ask them some difficult questions. I do so as a dedicant of Loyalty, preaching their sworn virtue, so my questions concern themselves with the intersection of Loyalty and Vigilance. When they have faced challenges that set these virtues at odds with each other, how have they acted? At the Summer Solstice, I invite Gaelen to join me to discuss this.
  • Outcome: Upheld (108-0)

Judgement 173

  • Assembly: Navarr
  • Raised By: Iniska Ashwood
  • Judgement: Polk Thornweaver. You've been working your arse off for the nation. Let's chat about it. Woven roots, next summit - we'll figure out the most prosperous time
  • Outcome: Upheld (90-0)

Writs of Inquisition

The following writs of inquisition were issued this summit:

Called by Subject Judgement or Title Matter
Corey Wayfarer Cadwell Waystone Path Judgement 4 His virtue and conduct as general
Bella Vincente d'Apulian Elagabala Judgement 40 Her pride
Emmeline Weaver Amberlain P. Black Judgement 61 Rumours of hatred
Ingrid Talon-of-the-Mark Mael Judgement 95 Efficacy & virtuous effect as Marshal of the Faith
Vauraus "Prosperity's Forge" Korppitkotka Gancio di Catazar Judgement 129 A lapsing commission
Galene Netherwatch Bloodcrow Arora Arcane Inquisitor Lessons learnt and to be learnt
Vauraus "Prosperity's Forge" Korppitkotka Empress Vesna Borkovna Prochnost Auditor of Senatorial Accountability Their statement in Senate regarding the raising of armies
Alfred Eawolfson Charlie Skinner Basilisk of the Bourse Virtue and economics
Kalina Jadwigowna Piosnkowa Prochnost Lady Laudine du Lac Imperial Inquisitor Her time as Chaplain Consular and Fintan Nighthaven
Lady Abreya De Lagriffe Morrigan Mortére Inquisitor of Ambition Rumours of association with Agramant
Maarit Suvidottir Zoria of the Circle of Zulgan-Tash Inquisitor of Courage Her courage
Eevi of the Gadrai Talos of the Silent Tide Inquisitor of Loyalty His words & deeds as Champion of Loyalty, at the Summer summit
Jedediah Boon Lofyn Bloodcloak Inquisitor of Pride A challenge to her pride
Iniska Ashwood Cain Coffers of House Vortekar Inquisitor of Prosperity The pledge he made when taking his seat, at the Summer summit
Brother Geoffrey Orchard Gwen Tendfallen Inquisitor of Vigilance Received wisdom, orthodox and otherwise
Nim of Ebon's Hall Kaisarion of the Court of the Rat King Inquisitor of Wisdom A controversial pamphlet

Sanction

Recognition

Judgement 93

  • Assembly: Ambition
  • Raised By: Amos
  • Judgement: I call for Barabbas to be recognised as an exemplar of Ambition, embodying the tenet that "it is better by far to try and fail, than never to have tried at all". His legacy lives on in Freeborn corsairs, in Caricomare and in Segura. His benevolence lives on in the ports and cities he built, the trade routes he founded, and the maps drawn from his explorers. His miraculous final address, and the aura of ambition it bears two centuries on, is an inspiration to mariners, explorers and adventurers to the cenotaph, and to all those who seek to do what "cannot be done". Barabbas is an exemplar for all those who dare to dream.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (362-56)

Exaltation

Judgement 35

  • Assembly: Pride
  • Raised By: Halwyn Splitroot
  • Judgement: Great artists whose art inspires virtue should be exalted. Idwyn Splitroot has inspired Pride across the Empire with her song "Painted", heard by every Navarr. Sung with every binding of thorns, now inspiring the troubadaours of Dawn. We exalt Idwyn, recognising the artistic works and dedication to inspiring pride in others.
  • Outcome: Upheld with a Greater Majority (192-22)
  • Notes: Idwyn Splitroot has been added to the Roll of the Exalted

Judgement 70

  • Assembly: Prosperity
  • Raised By: Sybilla Cattaneo di Tassato
  • Judgement: Azeal of Rumah's Redoubt recognised the great opportunities presented to the Empire by expanding the pool of appraisers but knew that the Senate budget has little slack for anything outside the war effort. He generously offered to fund the appraisers for their first year bringing the potential for opportunities old and to become available to the Empire that would not have been possible before. We recognise Azeal for his hard work in raising the funds to ensure the opportunity was not wasted and in his generosity in spending his hard earned money in a way that will benefit so many over the coming year.
  • Outcome: Not upheld (132-74)

Appointment

Rewarding

Special Considerations

The following considerations should be borne in mind when bringing judgements before the Imperial Synod during the Summer Solstice.

AssemblyConsiderationLinkDuration
All AssembliesStatements that prioritise the greater good over personal loyalties are less effective.Eyes of LoyaltyOngoing
All AssembliesStatements that try to compel Loyalty will fail.Eyes of LoyaltyOngoing
All AssembliesRevocations and Excommunications for disloyalty to the nation or Empire risk causing dissent.Eyes of LoyaltyOngoing
All AssembliesAny mandate that does not pass with a greater majority will have limited or no effect on Urizen or Varushka. It is not impossible that a mandate might lead to a response in one of the two nations, but it won't lead to any immediate consequences for the people of the nation. Urizen Link
Varushka Link
Ongoing
All AssembliesAny mandate that does not pass with a greater majority will have limited or no effect on Wintermark unless enacted by the Wintermark Assembly. It is not impossible that a mandate might lead to a response in the nation, but it won't lead to any immediate consequences for the people of the nation. The final cutOngoing
All AssembliesStatements that stress the need to follow Imperial law rather than virtue will be unlikely to lead to a mandate.Knocking on every doorOngoing

The Virtue Fund

At the start of the Spring Equinox 388YE summit, the Virtue Fund stood as follows:

MoneyMithrilWhite GraniteWeirwoodTrue Liao
88 thrones, 15 rings6 wains8 wains16 wains1 dose

Total donations made were:

MoneyMithrilWhite GraniteWeirwoodTrue Liao
72 thrones, 1 crown, 17 ringsnilnilnilnil

The total amounts carried forward to the next summit were:

MoneyMithrilWhite GraniteWeirwoodTrue Liao
72 thrones, 1 crown, 17 rings6 wainsnil4 wainsnil


Click Expand to see a list of donations received prior to the start of the summit.

Click Expand to see a list of Rewardings made at the summit.

  • 22 thrones to Laurencio di Sarvos following Judgement 21 being upheld (margin 510)
  • 20 thrones to Mathilde Caster following the death of Julien de Courtenay-Wyldrose and Judgement 36 being upheld (margin 324)
  • 8 wains of white granite to Athiel Westernborn of the Cenotaph following Judgement 30 being upheld (margin 318)
  • 40 thrones to Donato of the Crucible following Judgement 17 being upheld (margin 188)
  • 28 thrones, 1 crown, 17 rings to Miroslav following Judgement 42 being upheld (margin 24)
  • 4 wains of weirwood to Morialena von Holberg following Judgement 111 being upheld (margin 92)

Click Expand to see a list of donations made during the summit.

  • 70 thrones for the Bourse dose of True Liao from Rafael Barossa d'Apulian
  • 6 crowns from Rafael Barossa d'Apulian
  • 4 crowns from Tom Appleseed
  • 2 crowns, 11 rings from Leonardo i Del'Toro i Riqueza
  • 1 crown from Barak of the Inheritance of Atun
  • 1 crown, 5 rings from Veikko Bondforger
  • 1 crown from "Emperor Nicovar"
  • 1 crown from Berith Martel
  • 1 crown from Emperor Vesna Borkovna Prochnost
  • 1 ring in small donations

Doses of True Liao

Six doses of True Liao were disbursed this summit:

  • One dose to Vesna Borkovna Prochnost as the Throne
  • One dose to Hazelelponi of the Shattered Tower as Lepidean Librarian
  • One dose to Rafael Barossa d'Apulian by purchase in the Public Auction
  • One dose to Nathair Autumngale by decision of the Gatekeepers
  • One dose to Mayra Zoronova Prochnost by decision of the Gatekeepers
  • One dose to Jedediah Boon by decision of the Gatekeepers

Assembly Strength

The table below shows the size, total voting strength and greater majority thresholds for each assembly as calculated at the start of the summit.

Virtue Assembly Assembly Size Total Voting Strength Greater Majority Threshold
Ambition 47 644 323
Courage 29 372 187
Loyalty 53 710 356
Pride 28 324 163
Prosperity 30 355 178
Vigilance 64 762 382
Wisdom 45 558 280
The Way 23 268 135
General 319 3993 1997
National Assembly Assembly Size Total Voting Strength Greater Majority Threshold
Brass Coast 16 208 105
Dawn 55 738 370
Highguard 67 850 426
Imperial Orcs 7 82 42
League 34 474 238
Marches 19 208 105
Navarr 36 439 220
Urizen 26 304 153
Varushka 25 318 160
Wintermark 34 372 187
General 319 3993 1997